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• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  "Living on the governments tit" is straight up right-winger bullshit. We pay taxes, why the fuck should the government hoard that money and use it on shit that doesn't benefit the people? That is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of a government, to pool resources and skills to better society as a whole.

  True on your other points, but here they're saying the money should be given to employees rather than employers. That's not rightwing at all; it's leftwing if anything.

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  • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Exactly. I think government and corporations exist to generate wealth to benefit society. Right now it exists to benefit corporations.

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  • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sure, that had a semblance of socialism and rational thought to it, but the fact that they spin it as a negative and imply that the government shouldn’t be funding social welfare is pretty clear in showing that they’re too ignorant to actually understand what socialism is.

    Ironic, considering that right-wingers more than any other group rely on sucking the governments tit to survive day to day

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    • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      First, they're not claiming to be socialist. Second, they're criticizing corporate welfare, not social welfare. They support social welfare in the exact same comment. Rich pricks sucking on the government's tit and providing nothing to society is a bad thing, or at least the leftwing position considers it to be a bad thing. Are you even reading what they wrote?

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      • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        First, I never said they were a socialist. Pretty clear they aren’t, not sure where you’re going with that. Second, they’re criticizing the government using tax dollars to ensure we have functional agriculture. Cutting funding for agriculture and giving the funding to corporations instead is literally being carried out by the regime, as shown in project 2025 and with doge cuts.

        But sure, we can just assume it’s a coincidence that they agree with the fascists on that.

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• Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Free open borders doesn’t work unless everyone, literally everyone is working on the same legal framework . This could be good long term project for humanity but as it stands right now now, national divisions matter. You can’t have people that weren’t born here overwhelming our nation and getting aid when our own people are suffering economic hardship. The problem with people like you is that you want everything now, and that’s not possible except through extreme violence and often ends up not solving the problems. I would love to be able to remake the system from the top down, but we know that never ends right.

  I don’t think science is bullshit, I think non reroducible experiments are not science. I love science, but the social sciences in the present exist in the same stage of development as medicine was in the Middle Ages. This is a provable fact. Universities need to be centers of knowledge again and not job training centers.

  Like someone pointed out, I said corporations are living off the government tit, that’s a fact. I would prefer if the tit was feeding us instead. I think I made it very clear that I’m pro social safety nets.

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  • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    1. Our nation is not overwhelmed with immigrants stealing our jobs and resources, as much as fox news has convinced you that is the case. It’s in fact fascists and capitalists doing that, not that I expect you understand the difference between the working class and capiltalist class.The problem with you people, to use your phrasing, is you think there are MS13 members on every block shooting Americans and taking their paychecks, but “the left” is covering it up.

    2. You keep saying there are studies and provable facts showing science is fake. Let’s see it, show us your peer reviewed sources showing us how fake science is.

    3. You did not say corporations. You said farms. Should I quote it back to you? Here: “But farms are already inefficient, corrupt, and mismanaged and also living on the government tits”. No coincidence that the Trump regime says the same shit and is cutting agriculture funding and instead lining billionaire pockets, which brings us back to point one. Though I’d imagine you think the leftist immigrants are also the CEOs

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    • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      1. I don’t think that, but I do know that if 1 singe American is having a hard time while we are helping 1 illegal immigrant, then we are doing something wrong and it will breed resentment.

      2. You are a raw ally bad faith argumenter. I’ve never said science is fake, I’ve said that social science (though it also happens in the natural sciences to a lesser degree) is not really science, not with any degree of certainty as physics etc. here’s a little summary: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis?wprov=sf…

      but searching in Google Scholar or JSTOR will bring up many many studies about the problem. So when people say “the science backs this” using a social science study that is not replicable, it takes two brain cells to realize that no, there is no science backing such a claim.

      3. Yes I also meant farms which are also very often corporations. And that’s what I said in my very first comment, the Trump administration says a lot of things that are right (not as many that are wrong but they are not wrong about everything ), but they use it to serve their interests instead of actually solving the problems. Farmers are the biggest enemies of any of the solutions to many of the problems in America, we should nationalize the whole industry at this point because it cannot exist without government subsidies and yet they use the money to lobby against environmental and immigration reforms. They like the status quo. But if you don’t want to nationalize them we can stop subsidizing them and simply subsidize their wages directly in such a way that they can pay living wages instead of relying on immigrant labor.

      But again you are arguing in bad faith and I do not think that you have any coherent ideology that isn’t “oppose everything the other guys do”.

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      • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So to sum up:

        1. You think punishing immigrants will fix issues caused by capitalists somehow, don’t worry about it they deserve it anyways

        2. Whatever sciences you dislike (you keep saying social sciences, which I assume is a dogwhistle for anything you consider woke as you won’t give specifics) are fake, but you can’t prove it, just google it bro, you’ll find the truth

        3. You believe the fascist regime is doing a lot of things right

        But it’s us leftists that argue in bad faith and have no ideology, and are wrong for opposing things like fascism.

        Thanks for playing.

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      • astutemural@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        See, the problem is that you think immigrants don’t deserve basic human dignity, while we do. I don’t care if someone is born in Missouri or Mexico City; they both deserve guaranteed access to basic services, and we as a country are more than wealthy enough to provide it.

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