Comment on Estonia is digging a 40 km trench to stop Russian tanks — and 600 bunkers are next

• Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  (Sorry slightly pressed for time this comment, I usually try to avoid quote-reliant responses)

  I’m not sure where or why you have these cartoonish visions of how tanks go about things

  Getting attached to armored regiments gives you a weird degree of insight as to how they do things, I’ll happily confess to that one.

  or that it’s at all standard practice to just hurl yourselves barrel first into walls

  You’re not quite understanding my argument, I fear. You can see in the vid I posted before that a tank will happily just shove it’s way through a berm of loose-packed dirt like this, it’s not like I’m trying to present that as a tank driving full on at a wall. I’ve also never presented that a tank would intentionally foul it’s barrel instead adjusting the gun lay to deflect damage (hell, turrets even have a system in place to allow free rotation in the event of strong impacts just to prevent damage to the barrel/sights/etc) because that’s the entire basis of my “just elevate over it” point from earlier.

  what any force would do is cross once carefully and push entering in and then they can just drive across.

  No, what? Rapid thrusts through enemy defenses is fundamental to maneuver warfare - it’s the basis of Blitzkrieg, it’s the basis of modern Disorganization in Depth, it was the cornerstone of Ukraine’s counter-offensive. It’s what any armored force would do - exploitation through rapid maneuver, consolidation by following forces.

  Here, don’t believe me? While Army forces consolidate gains throughout an operation, consolidating gains become the focus of operations after large-scale combat operations have concluded. It’s very literally textbook maneuver warfare - it’s so basic it’s publicly available on the US Army website.

  Because hitting a wall at 50 kph in a armored can is a stupid* fucking idea unless you’re currently being shot at

  Isn’t the point of having a bunker every 60 meters that you’ll have lots of locations to shoot at people trying to cross the tank barrier? That’s kinda fundamental to the premise here.

  You agree

  But… no, I don’t?

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  • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ya huh then you should know you’re taking faff but more likely your just lying.

    I understand your argument, I’m saying you’re being obtuse and egomaniacal.

    You agree go away already.

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    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      (Taking faff is one of the cutest aphorism’s I’ve run across, thank you for that)

      Anyways, you’ve repeatedly demonstrated a deeply fundamental lack of familiarity with the topic being discussed here. And you asserting that I agree with you, despite repeatedly explaining the nuance of my position and detailing how we disagree, is a pretty transparent attempt to establish a victory condition that has nothing to do with the content of your argument and everything to do with the submission of your opponent which, listen, usually I’m all for that, but man when you’re just trying to demand it like this it’s a real turn off.

      It’s even wildly off topic - you still have done nothing to actually establish that your position is founded on evidence, you’re just asserting that you’re correct and ignoring the mounting evidence for my own position.

      So, seriously, why would they slow down when assaulting a pre-prepared defensive position? Ordinarily, that’s what we’d call suicide.

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      • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Neat.

        Again, you’ve agreed with me multiple times at this point, your just upset. It’s cool dude, move on.

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