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humanspiral@lemmy.ca 21 hours agoI’m not sure why you’re taking Vietnam war as an example, as it’s an offensive war and for example Finland has no plans to do anything like that.
The US instituted a mandatory draft to fight that war.
one out of 8 inhabitants will be in different forms of military service. There’s no way we could pay an adequate salary for that many soldiers.
Finland joining NATO is joining offensive military operations to diminish Russia. Finland was much much safer before. That media propaganda is permitted to claim Russia is not defending itself, or has no right to object to demonic supremacist attitude that it needs to be destroyed/divided, and privatized for pittances to US dominated financial interests, is an extreme affront to reality and humanity. Any Finnish media that says anything to the contrary could be nationalized for more pro human pro Finland prosperity mandates, and it is only liquid democracy that has a chance to not allow CIA bribed/threatened politicians to not pillage or suicide Finland for CIA diminishment value. The only threat to Finland exists from joining axis of evil against Russia. Liquid democracy offers chance to appeal to non suicidal/stupid to preserve Finland and citizen prosperity.
Yes, Finland security does require citizen training in guerilla sniper tactics for self defense. No, that security is destroyed by joining axis of demonism. CIA can compromise every politician and media in your country ultra cheaply. Not possible under liquid democracy.
Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
But that was an offensive war, and most countries don’t do those.
Depends on how you define “to be safe”. The Russia had declared that its goal is to return the borders of the Russian empire. That sounded a bit scary, but we shrugged it off, because it would require a war and that would hurt the Russia so much that such a war would be idiocy and therefore will not happen.
In case you don’t know where the borders of the Russian Empire were, they included for example these:
So, we were not in danger, because the Russia would not be stupid enough to begin a war in Ukraine or in Finland, as it was clear that it would hurt the Russia’s economy more than it could ever be of use to it. The Finnish defence doctrine was based on the concept of credible defence. We were told in school that “they can attack us and they could most likely even take over all of Finland, but our army is able to incur such big losses to them that they will not want to do that.” But then, it turned out that the Russia does not care about losses.
So, we found out two things:
You can say that we were not in danger because we didn’t know that we are in danger. And in some way that’s true. But, once we found out that we are in danger, then, well, we were. Since the doctrine of credible defence went down the drain, meaning that Finland effectively did not have a defence that is able to protect it, what else than joining NATO do you suggest we should have done to gain a level of defence capability able to keep the Russia out of Finland? Name one other option that we had.
Your idea that the Russia has a right to defend itself by preemptively taking over Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, half of Poland, Ukraine, and Moldova is, well… It would be impolite saying what it makes you look like.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
That is an outright falsehood that would be exposed in democracy. Even idealist “Reconstitution of USSR” implies zero military threat to non-deranged non-propagandists.
They of course care about losses. Hopefully, you are not taking Ukrainian claims about their losses with any credibility. Not submitting to demonic evil is a very high priority for Russia. Dead, nuclear incinerated, Finns being more useful to world than the territory of Finland should be your primary concern with your rulers and the lies you repeated from them.
All of it based on programming that the US is not 100% responsible for nazification of Ukraine and starting the war they wanted 100% started. The corrupt tyranny of Finland that dooms its people to destruction based on this genuinely absurd lie, has corruption so strong in their CIA devotion, that Trump’s extortion and 5% of GDP as military spending US tribute gives them 0 pause in their fascism over you. Similar brainwashing levels apply to Canada, but we’re lucky to not pose enough of a threat in our evil that requires nuclear annihilation of our population.