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DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 day agoIf you have a way to make women study software engineering and other game dev related fields, please do share. I would love that.
But you can’t fix lack of women and generally diverse people skilled in game dev during hiring. We have seen the results of trying multiple times.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Wow. Every dog in the tri-state area suddenly started barking. I wonder why…
But yeah. That is some bullshit that comes up every time anyone tries to address the diversity issues. “Well, if there were more intelligent black people, maybe we would hire a black or two” level comments.
In my experience, most first year undergraduate courses for STEM related degrees more or less match the demographics of the university itself. Depending on how rigorous the program that can change drastically as the weeding out courses happen, but it generally is “close enough” by the time they are in the 400s and going to special guest lectures by us industry a-holes.
The problem is what comes after. There is a reason there are Black Engineering and Women in Engineering mailing lists. Because so many companies (and graduate programs) basically want a “diversity hire” and nothing else. So you might have a class that graduates with 40% women entering a workforce that will hire 5%, at best. And… the good groups talk about this and encourage people to have a plan B. Whereas men (at least up until recently) know that if they just keep trying they’ll get hired eventually because 95% of those jobs are for them.
And grad school (less an issue for game dev) has the added problem where so many advisers are complete creeps with tenure. But that is a different mess.
No. Whatever the field, if you actually work towards having a diverse hiring pool and actually hire on merit, you tend to have an employee demographic within a stones throw of the regional breakdown. Because, yes, socioeconomic and institutionalized racism do give certain ethnic groups a serious disadvantage. But when you are hiring for roles with undergrad or graduate degrees? The best of the best are the ones who actually DO tend to find a way to bootstrap themselves up (or have parents who did). And… long term that goes a long way towards fixing things. It isn’t the complete solution but it REALLY helps.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 34 minutes ago
rofl that is NOT a dogwhistle, you actual dipshit… Software engineering, to this day, is infact, in actual living reality, underrepresentative of women and minorities. As a matter of fact.
You can bitch about reality not matching your expectations, but many of us work in the fucking industry and you’re working off a mountain of shitty assumptions.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t know anything about other STEM fields or other countries, but where I live, most sw engineering courses don’t have above 5%.
But yeah, dismiss reality with the “dog whistles”! “All the dog whistles!” And then act surprised when no one outside your echo chamber takes you seriously.
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Makes me think why those big tech corporations are suddenly supportive of that regime in DC.