Comment on Witch on the Holy Night Game Gets Release on Steam on December 14

• Scraft161@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I thought Mirror Moon required proof of ownership before you could run their patches?

  Not with Tsukihime; if you have the CD (or more realistically mount the ISO) the installer just works, even from within wine. That said that was for an are where you’d still be able to realistically obtain the CD, nowadays the game is considered abandonware so some people took the translation; fixed it up (and by a lot) and provided easy access to western audiences) it’s a great way to read the original with all it’s rough edges. If you do want to support Type Moon in this endeavor; the best way would be to buy their stuff (whether it is a version of mahoyo, the Tsukihime remake (which is getting an official english release come 2024), or wait on a PC release (which Nasu stated he’s interested in if it got translated)). Personally I think I’m going to wait until the full game is out and translated if I’m going to read remake; there’s some interesting stuff that changes between the two that got me curious; but reading mahoyo was already challenging enough for me (largely because I did that on a 7 year old laptop)

  you’d expect them to have someone who knows Japanese on staff.

  you would; but then this is far from their first screw up and it really makes it look bad that it would have been easier to write an article correcting the misinformation caused by the whole incident rather than doing the same as everybody else.

  One thing I’m glad about after deciding to learn Japanese is that I don’t need to worry about translation quality.

  Good luck learning a language is hard (I know because english isn’t my first), know that it’s a long road but I can share a few tips:

  1. listen to japanese as much as you can; whether it’s movies, anime, music, … if it is made by japanese people for native speakers then you’re good (you can always get other material besides it; but it usually not as good for building an intuitive understanding of the language)
  2. try to avoid speaking/writing in japanese unless you feel comfortable forming sentences, premature output leads to you using broken japanese as reference for the language which builds accents, these are extremely hard to get rid of.
  3. kanji is a beast; but it’s not all irrational, most words are built by tying concepts together; what kanji don’t do is represent the way they’re supposed to sound.
  4. don’t use duolingo (this applies to any language) it’s method of learning is slow, it’s questions trivially simple, and it does not mesh well with the more flexible sentence structure in japanese leading to it telling you that a sentence normal people might use is wrong, it also forces premature output which goes against point 2.

  I’ve yet to come across a VN writer who can write a good H-Scene…

  same here; but I’ve read very few visual novels, I’m not really a reader and the things I have read are because either I knew it would be good (tsukihime, mahoyo) or where I just craved for more after loving it’s adaptation (Fate, Mushoku Tensei [Light Novel]).

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  • Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ah, so Mirror Moon themselves haven’t dropped that requirement, but another fan group intervened. I’m probably just going to wait until the 2024 version is out since I have such a big backlog anyway, but it’s cool that fans are preserving this stuff, putting copyright law aside. I could probably argue about this particular aspect of copyright law for hours, but I’m sure nobody is interested in that :P

    I’ll definitely be reading Witch on the Holy Night first, though. I’ve been wanting to read it since watching Garden of the Sinners, which was years ago now.

    Counter-point, though: is there anyone better at Japanese media reporting than ANN?

    Thanks for the advice on learning Japanese! I’ve actually been at for about a decade now, though not consistently. I only started getting serious about it ~3 years ago (and I’ve been far too busy this year to give it the attention it deserves). I’ve got a decent understanding of the language now and can approach most media with a dictionary (and watch a lot of anime without). And yeah, production was never a priority for me. I don’t think there’s an easier language to immerse in. There are so many great options, and there are so many tools out there by all these different people you won’t see for other languages.

    I’ve never had trouble with Kanji. I just learn words and get a feel for the Kanji as a byproduct. It’s not difficult to remember Kanji after you’ve seen them a few times, especially if you know radicals. One thing I need to properly learn, though, is pitch accent. I’ve been very lazy about not learning it, but it’s pretty important to do so as early as you can, or you end up needing to correct a lot of misunderstandings about pronunciation, as you say.

    And I have actually used the Duolingo Japanese course! It’s pretty bad. I’ve also tried Wanikani, Jalup, Tae Kim, Imabi, Sakubi, iKnow, FluentU, Lingualift, KKLC, Genki, Tobira, various Memrise and Anki vocabulary decks, japaneseclass.jp, and Maggie-Sensei (this list is not exhaustive). Some of it helped; some of it not, but all of that adds up to still not enough to purchase Rosetta Stone. After all of this, I think the best way is:

    1. Learn Kana
    2. Read Tae Kim’s Grammar Guide (or Sakubi if you can handle it)
    3. Do a Core 1-2k deck while immersing
    4. Mine new words from native material

    Everything else is unnecessary or inefficient.

    I already know enough grammar to immerse nowadays (I guess I’m around N3?) so I only learn new words from native material. I consider this a general success because I’ve read lots of great stuff (my favourite is Munou na Nana) in Japanese and felt I had a better experience than I would have reading the localization.

    Yeah, I definitely should not be this bad at Japanese after so long, but that’s what happens when you leave it for a year or two at a time. Key to learning anything is consistency, and every day, it gets easier. If I wasn’t so easily distracted, I’m sure I’d be almost fluent by now. My biggest regret is not committing harder and sooner.

    I haven’t read too many visual novels either! I also still have lots of kamige to read, and I’m glad for it. I never used to be much of a reader, but things changed when I started getting into isekai web novels, haha.

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    • Scraft161@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      it’s cool that fans are preserving this stuff

      Video game preservation is always a plus and being able to read a 20 year old VN (on linux natively) is something that Type Moon would probably never concern themselves about. Granted their main source of income today is definitely Fate/Grand Order (it’s literally what made the remake possible in terms of funding) so it’s hard to imagine they’d go strike down stuff like this where they’d never see money from anyways, Type Moon has also been very lax when it comes to derivative works (I probably don’t need to mention that with all the fate spin-offs and doujins floating around).

      I’ll definitely be reading Witch on the Holy Night first, though. I’ve been wanting to read it since watching Garden of the Sinners, which was years ago now.

      Mahoyo is the indirect prequel to that (get used to not having any direct sequels in the nasuverse) it’s a really good introduction to the series’ magic system and gives you a good introduction to all the concepts Kara no Kyoukai is built on, it’s a lot slower than the Kara no Kyoukai movies and focuses a lot more on the slice of life aspects of being a magus; yet doesn’t pull any punches when there’s action, the battles are really diverse showcasing quite a bit of magecraft which is nicely accented by all the animations in this VN.

      Counter-point, though: is there anyone better at Japanese media reporting than ANN?

      not that I know of; although I have a couple youtube channels that cover anime news really well and while they do use sources like MAL; they’re often more accurate that what I’ve seen from ANN.
      Otaku Spirit (Invidious: yewtu.be), some of the things he says can be a little confusing at times; but it’s pretty solid in general.
      Espiritu (Invidious: yewtu.be), also debunks a lot of rumors going around alongside the general anime news.
      For me that’s more than enough as I don’t really need to keep up with everything going on in the anime sphere.

      Thanks for the advice on learning Japanese! I’ve actually been at for about a decade now, though not consistently. I only started getting serious about it ~3 years ago (and I’ve been far too busy this year to give it the attention it deserves). I’ve got a decent understanding of the language now and can approach most media with a dictionary (and watch a lot of anime without).

      that’s already way further than I am, I want to start going about it seriously and actually get things done; but every time I start my free time gets eaten up by something else and I end up having to put it off.

      Yeah, I definitely should not be this bad at Japanese after so long, but that’s what happens when you leave it for a year or two at a time.

      everybody at their on pace; if I would seriously start immersing myself I bet I could form a pretty decent understanding of Japanese in no time (I went from bare knowing a couple english words to being able to speak in ~4 months; but that was after hours and hours every day watching youtube content in english and having luck in the fact that both english and my native language are germanic languages so they share quite a lot of similarities)

      I made a lot of good progress when I committed every day from 2019 to the end of 2020, and I want to do that again!

      I’m in the same boat with you, I would kill to be able to spend time like that again; but as it stands now I simply don’t and I don’t know if I’m going to be able to do a sprint like that ever again.

      I never used to be much of a reader, but things changed when I started getting into isekai web novels

      Any chance you’ve read Mushoku Tensei? I remember devouring that like nothing else once season 1 of the anime ended because the story was that good, managed to read everything starting from volume 1 in 6 months; I never expected to be that much of a reader as I could barely finish any book before but with this I just went through them at incredible pace.

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      • Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        being able to read a 20 year old VN (on linux natively) is something that Type Moon would probably never concern themselves about.

        That’s definitely true. I don’t know of a Japanese company that has released a visual novel with a native GNU/Linux binary.

        Type Moon has also been very lax when it comes to derivative works (I probably don’t need to mention that with all the fate spin-offs and doujins floating around).

        I’m aware of how uh, interesting, copyright law is in Japan, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone get raked over the coals for a doujin. Is that something that actually happens? And, aren’t the Fate spin-offs authorized by TYPE-MOON?

        Mahoyo is the indirect prequel to that (get used to not having any direct sequels in the nasuverse)

        Sounds like it’s just up my alley, then! I’m excited! I’ve been wanting to read Fate for a long time, too. I’ve seen the DEEN anime, UBW series and movie, but I haven’t touched Heaven’s Feel. I want my first experience to be with the visual novel. I think I mentioned I’m a fan of slice of life and not much of a fan of action, but a blend of the two is a nice cocktail. I like the “dramedy” genre for similar reasons; I can’t watch a pure comedy for too long but drama makes it feel grounded. BoJack Horseman comes to mind.

        Anyway, it sounds like a good time. Animations are a plus too, because most VNs don’t have that kind of budget :)

        although I have a couple youtube channels that cover anime news really well

        I have a confession to make: I’m not too interested in keeping up with the latest anime. I don’t even have a Crunchyroll subscription. The only anime I watch tend to be 10-20 years old, though I was thinking of watching Kimagure Orange Road the other day…

        That said, I am interested in VN news. Particularly localizations, because as I said earlier, they’re easier to get my hands on when I want the Japanese script. Thanks for providing invidious links though!

        but every time I start my free time gets eaten up by something else and I end up having to put it off.

        Feels like my life this year. Unfortunately, certain things have had to take a much higher priority, but about half of it was just me getting distracted by something else, lol. You don’t need to spend hours learning Japanese every day, though. Half an hour is good enough to form a habit and get acclimated. But I’m sure you don’t need me to tell you that, since this isn’t your first rodeo :)

        if I would seriously start immersing myself I bet I could form a pretty decent understanding of Japanese in no time

        I bet you would! Take this as my encouragement to do so when you have the time! I never had any formal classes on Japanese, don’t know any Japanese people, and only really interacted with Japanese media, so I’m self-taught, you could say. I only knew English beforehand. It took a while to wrap my head around some fundamental stuff, but it feels natural now. It’d probably be easier for you, haha.

        Mushoku Tensei

        I have not. The kind of web novels I was interested in were the villainess kind. You know, Destruction Flag Otome (or Bakarina, whatever), Reika-sama, Evil God Average, Eliza, stuff like that. I prefer female protagonists (and somehow Saga of Tanya the Evil counts as that). I liked Ascendance of a Bookworm and really liked So I’m a Spider, So What? but have only seen the anime adaptations in any great detail at the moment. I’ve transitioned to reading the light novel adaptations of the web novels, mostly, but because Syosetu novels are free, I’ve downloaded a fair few. Mushoku Tensei was one of the few stories with a male protagonist I was interested in reading at some point.

        I just remembered that the story that got me into reading was actually HakoMari. I think I read all 7 volumes in 3 days… I have no idea how I managed that and I have never read that fast again, haha!

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