Comment on ‘A fundamental part of growing up’: Why Aussie kids can’t swim any more

• zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Data doesn’t stop people from smoking, being antivax, etc. Stories move people more than data when emotions are involved. So whoever is writing this is just doing what the data say to do, ironically.

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  • Noite_Etion@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Connecting people with data is fine, but using it to draw conclusions the data doesn’t support - like saying aussie kids cannot swim anymore - is just overselling the issue to get more clicks.

    Stick to the facts, give case examples of this happening and don’t use sensationalism.

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• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Just present the facts and research

  You mean facts like more than 4 in 5 teenagers don’t meet the basic expected minimum‽ Those stats?

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  • Noite_Etion@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Why are you trying to turn this into an argument, I was happy to have this conversation but you are getting a bit butt hurt man.

    Chill out dude.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You came into this conversation with an argumentative tone, don’t put that on me. It didn’t even make sense. The article presents data and shares anecdotes that do a good job of personalising that data. Why are you accusing it of inventing problems when its data pretty solidly supports that. If you wanted to criticise the source of the data or the methodology by which the conclusions were drawn from the data, that would be one thing (and we could evaluate the merits of that kind of reasoning in context), but you didn’t…you just claimed they were presenting anecdotes that create fear unsupported by data, despite the fact that that couldn’t be further from the truth.

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      • Noite_Etion@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You came into this conversation with an argumentative tone, don’t put that on me.

        What are you talking about lol? I was giving the article shit… Did you take that personally, I mean have you been imagining an argument between us this whole time…?

        Also how do I come into a conversation with an argumentive tone when I started this comment chain (there wasn’t even a conversation yet) I just gave my opinion on this article and you are already triggered. If anything you came in with an argumentive tone when you replied to me.

        The article presents data and shares anecdotes that do a good job of personalising that data. Why are you accusing it of inventing problems when its data pretty solidly supports that.

        The headline is that kids can’t swim anymore, that alone is a sensationalist title used to garter clicks, and the use of one women’s experience to justify this title is poor journalism imo.

        If you wanted to criticise the source of the data or the methodology by which the conclusions were drawn from the data, that would be one thing (and we could evaluate the merits of that kind of reasoning in context), but you didn’t…you just claimed they were presenting anecdotes that create fear unsupported by data, despite the fact that that couldn’t be further from the truth.

        I agreed with the data several times, what I disagreed with was the presentation of the data by this article. The RLSS has done good research, and then the Herald took some anecdotal takes and extrapolated it out to “kids cannot swim anymore”. This in my opinion skews the facts as most people don’t read past headlines these days and will take shit at face value.

        You really need to take this down a notch, I am happy to continue this conversation and discuss our opinions, but if you just reply with more accusations I’ll just move on. Please chill.

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• Ilandar@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Sounds like you want an ABS spreadsheet, not a news article.

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