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LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

But what I couldn’t find in this study is WHY they think this increase in mortality is due to covid.

I am not claiming they are wrong. I am not casting doubt. I am not anyone or in any position to do that.

I am simply missing an explanation, an explanation that I feel should be front and centre, in bold red text, maybe wordart, for how something relatively minor from 5 years ago is causing anything at all 5 years later.

To me, yes it is very unintuitive because the pandemic is grossly outdone by virtually everything that’s happened since.

And yes, maybe I’m very deluded, but if you can’t explain it to an idiot like me who’s trying to understand and genuinely align themselves with truth and knowledge derived via the scientific method, then what hope is there for communicating this stuff to the rest of society to benefit from, when many aren’t so willing, and would happily equate data driven analysis and findings with the subjective opinion of their uncle that he obtained through “doing his own research”?

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NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
You keep calling covid a "fairly benign virus from 5 years ago" which makes me think you aren't actually interested in learning. It still exists, it's still worse than flu, it didn't "end". Look up "long term effects of covid-19" and you'll see that this is being heavily studied due to various correlations with various serious conditions. But because it only STARTED 5 years ago, we can't possibly know for sure yet.

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- LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I can only say what the pandemic was to me, I’m sorry it seemed worse to you. To me it ended in the summer of 2020 and was primarily characterised by good vibes of the lockdowns due to a lack of cars.
  
  Nonetheless the facts are we now have effective treatment plans and vaccines for prevention. Long covid and all that is still primarily speculation.
  
  So can you answer the question of how the study links mortality to covid? Are all those extra deaths from covid? Are people skipping the vax?
  
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  - NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Jesus Christ, so you're completely disregarding POTS, fibromyalgia, CFS/ME and Lyme disease too? It's not a conspiracy cliche to tell you to Google medical studies on these things. Saying "those guys just like to chill" like they aren't in chronic physical pain 24/7 is the most self-centered, dismissive bullshit I've ever heard.
    
    I don't think any evidence I could give you of correlations would be enough because you literally don't believe in medically accepted physiological conditions, seemingly because you personally had a chill 2020.
    
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    LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Nah chill out and stop projecting, I definitely believe in CFS, Fibro, ME and ADHD and to some extent the bundle of symptoms that are speculated to occur as a result of post-viral fatigue commonly dubbed “Long Covid”, though I think there isn’t concrete evidence towards that characterization of it - which emerged on Twitter from a hashtag, not from established scientific or medical sources, and as of yet we don’t know for sure if it’s connected to covid.
    
    What I don’t believe is that I don’t think everyone who thinks they have these disorders - actually has them - which is fact, and I’d like to see you try and prove that misdiagnoses, especially unprofessional self-misdiagnoses literally don’t happen.
    
    This is all irrelevant to my original question anyway, you’ve still yet to provide a single explanation for why the study links increased mortality to Covid-19. Are there increasing deaths again? Why? Is it direct? Indirect? Why did they omit this highly important fact?
    
    Key part being 19, because it started in 2019, and ended in the first half of 2020 because we have this thing called a vaccine.
    
    What is it doing in 2025 still?
    
    Is it mortality caused directly by the virus - as in, people are dying from it now, and if so - why would that start happening again? Stronger variant? More vax hesitance? More misinfo? More conspiratorial lunatics like you lot making up disorders to drink horse dewormer for or whatever you rigtoid loons got yourselves into these days instead of organizing to improve their material conditions?
    
    Actually I’m pretty sure I got a good idea for what could be a big factor just based on this conversation and it’s not a stronger new variant.
    
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