First of all, I hate what’s happened to the US, but with that said…
There was a good decade or so where Russia was running a pretty obvious disinfo campaign against US citizens while literally setting up a Manchurian candidate in Donald trump. We already know to some extent that Europe had intel on the situation and really didn’t do jack shit to try and prevent what has turned into Russian backed dictatorship.
So I disagree with you on the subjection of alienation. I would argue that the EU set itself up to be alienated through its inaction.
On the subject of allies, I don’t think there is a single person in the US that really believes it doesn’t need allies. The US has just traded its western allies for eastern ones. Trump has been cozying up to other dictators around the world since his first term. These days he’s very friendly with Putin.
So again, I disagree with you.
And I find it pretty fucking hilarious that you’re talking about the US cooperating with the EU when the EU has done fuck all to help prevent what’s happened to it. If there is war between these nations, there is almost no way the US will be allied with the EU. The US is a dictatorship and it will ally itself with other dictatorships.
It wasn't the EU's role to defend our internal politics. It was ours.
And we were also trying to be careful. More careful than we should have been.
The goal was to remain as non-partisan as possible while giving the public enough info to make the right decision. We all failed in that.
Yeah we failed because we didn’t use all avenues available to us. Including insisting upon the resources of our supposed allies. Although I feel those resources should have been volunteered considering the clear and present danger to our democracy. instead we got next to nothing.
This alliance has felt incredibly one sided and at this point, with the US being heavily controlled by Russia I almost feel like Europe is just reaping what its sown. If there is a war in europe, europe will suffer, and it is their own faults for being willfully isolationist.
The thinking that any of the current fallout in the US is foreign-led is not giving any good explanations for the reality we observe and therefore procides no good solutions. What you’re observing is primarily driven by the oligarch class in the US finding new ways to extract profit. That drives everything. It drives Fox, it drives the Heritage Foundation, it drives turning both parties in oligarch-serving machines. Feeding this machine with resources from the outside is a bad idea since most of those resources would be captured by the oligatchs. The only way out of this is to get an internal populist left movement to curb their power, reposses most of their resources and redestribute them to the masses.
If you don’t think it was foreign led then you have no idea what you’re talking about. It has been entirely led by Russia. Yes the oligarchs in the US have been a part of it, but they were unified and driven together by Russian interference in US politics. You want to ignore the part that Russia played in this, then you choose to rewrite history.
And your “only way out of this” – why you don’t you tell me in small steps exactly how that happens. Lets hear it.
Oligarchs are unified by their pursuit for profit, not by Russia. The Heritage Foundation that peddles these ideas did not emerge from Russian interference in 2016. Neither did Fox. Neither did the Chicago School of Economics. This has been going on for a lot longer than the last decade. The pushback started as a result of FDR’s redistribution policies that cut US oligarch wealth in the aftermath of the Great Depression. First slowly, then more quickly.
And your “only way out of this” – why you don’t you tell me in small steps exactly how that happens. Lets hear it.
Campaign, donate and vote for “far-left” D candidates at every gov’t level - like AOC, Zohran, etc. Campaign, donate and vote for “far-left” independent candidatss where there’s no such candidates in that district. Join a union. Join a local socialist org. Eventually you’d tilt the balance of power in various gov’t institutions. Whenever you do that, you tax the rich to death. But that goes without saying cause every “fat-left” candidate has that on their agenda.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Oh boy the ignorance of that statement is so big I don’t even know where to begin.
First of all the cooperation of 28 countries to prevent war among themselves is far from not doing jack shit. Secondly EU has worked hard to avoid war through cooperation, but not as much militarily to end them. But still most European countries have been at the side of USA when they asked for it.
I’m sorry, your narrow ignorant perspective is simply not a level I really care to debate at.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
WHAT FUCKING COOPERATION!?
I’m the ignorant one??? what the fuck did the EU do to help the US with obvious Russian interference in their politics? If you’re truly not ignorant, like you say you aren’t, then you could see what was happening. With Russia literally installing a russian asset into the US presidency. What the fuck did the EU do to prevent that?? Fucking nothing.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
How do you imagine it’s the EU responsibility to protect USA against Russian interference? That simply doesn’t make any sense at all.
USA is supposed to be the “intelligence” superpower, having facilities spread out among allies, and I know for a fact my own country has helped USA a lot on intelligence. and is a 7 eyes member. We were also the ones warning about nuclear weapons being on the way to Cuba back in the 60’s. And we have allowed US military on Greenland.
Why would we know more about Russian interference than USA themselves? But apart from that the Steele Dossier was from UK, and it clearly indicated Trump is a Russian asset, but the Americans have ignored ALL proof that Trump is obviously compromised, and elected him not just once but twice.
One more insane comment like the 2 before and I block you.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Apparently you never fucking heard of the cold war and all the shit the US did to protect Europe during it. Maybe you should open a fucking book and fuck off.