People fleeing fascism are just hoping other people will be forced to fight it and win before it gets to them. No matter what happens, eventually some people will have to stand and fight it. There is nothing wrong with deciding that the time to stand and fight it has come. It is scary, yes. It has been a long time since we have had to fight fascism. We might feel like we have forgotten how. But we will learn quickly. The same technology that enables them also enables us in ways just as profound, maybe more profound. Vive la resistance!
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Eldritch@piefed.world 7 hours agoSometimes there's family or other things you just can't take with you. Support structures you might not have somewhere else. Friends and neighbors. Mutual aid.
There can be circumstances that override that. But honestly, the more that flee. The easier it is to get what the fascists want. And at best you're only helping yourself short term. Because no matter where you go. They will come for you if they can.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
If they’re coming no matter what Id recommend anyplace that lets you keep a firearm and to stay away from anywhere that doesn’t. Unless anyone’s come up with a better way to stop fascists in the past 80 years, there’s really only one solution.
Eldritch@piefed.world 1 hour ago
Firearms are a double edged sword. Maybe they help, maybe they hurt. But when society turns against you, and no place is safe for you. All the guns in the world even in the face of an unarmed populace won't save you.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 6 hours ago
Fair enough. In that case I wish you a very successful revolt, that you hunt down and eliminate the fascists so they can’t come for you never, nowhere.
Photuris@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
For real. I want me and my family to leave the United States. Bringing the entire family to a whole new life abroad is a very tall order.
Eldritch@piefed.world 6 hours ago
And even there. There's no guarantee. Going to Europe where fascists in Russia, Hungary, etc loom? Maybe you'll be safe a little longer somewhere on the Asian continent with the currently slower rolling fascist forces there. But it's only temporary. You can't ultimately escape.
The question is. Where well the breaking point be for most people. What event will cause the public to drag these fuckers from their homes and hold them responsible. Because that's what it's going to take. For them to remember that they rely on us. Not only for their wealth. But continued existence. Only when that fear has been driven into them, will things even start to get better.
And it might surprise us. It may just be a red state that does it. One of these Republican sycophants getting dragged from a town hall. Assaulted by a whole community for their rolls in making things worse for everyone. Police are going to have a hard time locking up a whole town. And these elected ghouls that love to ignore their constituents will reel in terror. To be clear, violence isn't the answer. Fear is. The fear of knowing we far outnumber them. That they could be subject to violent accountability at any moment. Dragged from their safe beds even.
Photuris@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
Fear backed by the threat of violence.
Look, I hate violence. But anyone who says “violence isn’t the answer” clearly hasn’t read a history book. It’s nearly always how things are changed (for better or worse).
Eldritch@piefed.world 4 hours ago
Violence is the answer for authoritarians. But it never lasts. Because it's just a tool. The answer is respect, justice, and consent.
Without them you end up in inane cycles of violence like we have now.