Comment on Perplexity AI is complaining their plagiarism bot machine cannot bypass Cloudflare's firewall
rdri@lemmy.world 1 day agoThat all sounds very vague to me, and I don’t expect it to be captured properly by law any time soon. Being accessed for LLM? What does it mean for you and how is it different from being accessed by a user? Imagine you host a weather forecast. If that information is public, what kind of compensation do you expect from anyone or anything who accesses that data?
Is it okay for a person to access your site? Is it okay for a script written by that person to fetch data every day automatically? Would it be okay for a user to dump a page of your site with a headless browser? Would it be okay to let an LLM take a look at it to extract info required by a user? Have you heard about changedetection.io project? If some of these sound unfair to you, you might want to put a DRM on your data or something.
Would you expect a compensation from me after reading your comment?
ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 day ago
It already has been captured, properly in law, in most places. We can use the US as an example: Both intellectual property and real property have laws already that cover these very items.
Well, does a user burn up gigawatts of power, to access my site every time? That’s a huge different.
Depends on the terms of service I set for that service.
Sure!
Sure! As long as it doesn’t cause problems for me, the creator and hoster of said content.
See above. Both power usage and causing problems for me.
No. I said, I do not want my content and services to be used by and for LLMs.
I have now. And should a user want to use that service, that service, which charges 8.99/month for it needs to pay me a portion of that, or risk having their service blocked.
There no need to use it, as I already provide RSS feeds for my content. Use the RSS feed, if you want updates.
Or, I can just block them, via a service like Cloud Flare. Which I do.
None. Unless you’re wanting to access if via an LLM. Then I want compensation for the profit driven access to my content.
rdri@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
And it causes a lot of trouble to many people and pains me specifically. Information should not be gated or owned in a way that would make it illegal for anyone to access it under proper conditions. License expiration causing digital work to die out, DRM causing software to break, idiotic license owners not providing appropriate service, etc.
Doing a GET request doesn’t do that.
What kind of problems that would be?
?? How? And what?
You have to agree that at one point “be used by LLM” would not be different from “be used by a user”.
It’s self-hosted and free.
How does that prohibit usage and processing of your info? That sounds like “I won’t be providing any comments on Lemmy website, if you want my opinion you can mail me at a@b.com”
That will never block all of them. Your info will be used without your consent and you will not feel troubled from it. So you might not feel troubled if more things do the same.
What if I use my local hosted LLM? Anyway, the point is, selling text can’t work well, and you’re going to spend much more resources on collecting and summarizing data about how your text was used and how others benefited from it, in order to get compensation, than it worths.
Also, it might be the case that some information is actually worthless when compared to a service provided by things like LLM, even though they use that worthless information in the process.
I’m all for killing off LLMs, btw. Concerns of site makers who think they are being damaged by things like Perplexity are nothing compared to what LLMs do to the world. Maybe laws should instead make it illegal to waste energy. Before energy becomes the main currency.
ubergeek@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
Then you don’t believe content creators should have any control over their own works?
The “proper conditions” are deemed by the content creator, not the consumers.
Not at all. It consumes at most, a watt.
Increasing my hosting bill, to accommodate the senseless traffic being sent my way?
Outages for my site, making my content unavailable for legitimate users?
Not at all. LLMs are not users.
If you want, or they charge for the hosted version. If they want to use a paid for version, then they can divert some of that revenue to me, the creator, because without creators, they would have no product.
That’s a apples and oranges comparison, and you know it.
Perplexity seems to be troubled by it.
If selling text can’t work well, then why do LLM products insist on using my text, to sell it?
LLMs are a net negative, as far as costs go. They consume far more in resources than they provide in benefit. If my information was worthless without an LLM, it’s worthless with an LLM, therefore, LLMs don’t need to access it. Periodt.
The bottom line? Content creators get the first say in how their content is used, and consumed. You are not entitled to their labor, for free, and without condition.
rdri@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Don’t feel like spending time on this anymore. To me you are not different from idiots who destroys information once they can’t sell it anymore, who sue webarchive, who calls pirated copy a lost sale, who shut down game servers etc. LLM might be worse than those but Perplexity is certainly a lesser player in the field.