Comment on If AI takes most of our jobs, money as we know it will be over. What then?

frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• socsa@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You joke but post scarcity anarchism is probably the only truly viable post capitalist society where the state actually has a real chance of withering away. That means good praxis is anything which reduces scarcity - both in the form of technological developments and sustainability/ecology. And yes, harm reduction measures which foster collaboration and social cohesion which create actualized humans with real agency and a real stake in their own communities.

  The problem with so much leftist thought is precisely that it denies agency to those it seems to liberate. "Luxury gay space communism" is a meme, but it's based on a post-left idea which is actually far more rooted in reality than a lot of ML orthodoxy.

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  • willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    When democratic gornance withers what fills the power vacuum is feudalism.

    Technofeudalism is feudalism with computers.

    Ironically, to create a space that selects for and protects distributed decisionmaking (the desire of most sane anachists), you need a strong government!

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    • frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Anarchism is a project. It’s not just a matter of eliminating the state. That would just result in Mad Max.

      You need people to work together to help each others needs. I help you because I might need help someday, too. That builds a real community. And then maybe, just maybe, we solve each others problems enough that the state is unnecessary.

      Is it a pipe dream? Maybe. But the steps towards that are worth doing, anyway.

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      • willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Of course the power dynamics cannot ever be eliminated (either by breeding or enculturation) from the interpersonal relationships.

        Instead, power can be regulated and managed, to maximize distributed decisionmaking, and to protect those decisionmakers who could not or would not protect themselves.

        In a free for all, feudalism will always result. The strong and the willing will rule over the weak and the unwilling.

        There have to be limits to the power dynamics. Those limits will have to be enforced to protect the vulnerable, the gullible, and the unwilling (those who have the capability to exercise power, but refuse by choice), etc. This requires advanced democratic governance with a very strong government.

        Doing away with the government is just a speedrun toward technofeudalism.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s not feudalism, it’s the usual fascism in making. Maybe with some capitalist mechanisms.

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  • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The problem with so much leftist thought is precisely that it denies agency to those it seeks to liberate.

    Which is why at some point I decided that I’m fine with explaining my opinions though Trotskyism and not anarcho-capitalism. I didn’t stop being ancap in essence (recently went to an ancap group in TG and was glad to see that the main principles haven’t been lost), but in Russia most people around use communist terms and logic on politics without even realizing it. Even the right-wing and nationalist kind talk like that (the official “communist” party doesn’t, though, it sounds like moderate nazis with weird symbolic). And if I want to find a way to improve something, it very clearly doesn’t lie in conceiving a structure and then trying to make it real through power or deceit.

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