…Unless they want to
Comment on Finland | Minister: "Burkas and niqabs are not suitable for school"
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 days agoEveryone should be free to wear whatever they want - but that’s not what this is about. Nobody wears a burka or niqab because they genuinely want to.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
dastanktal@hexbear.net 2 days ago
Maybe this European country could also make a law that prevents children from face masks prevent them from getting diseases or prevent immunocompromised patients from wearing face masks since they’re both forced to?
Nobody wants to wear a face mask because they genuinely want to.
I really can not believe you just used the line that nobody wants to wear this religious garb of their chosen religion and culture. Let’s just ignore the major amount of assumptions and xenophobia present in this line of thought.
The factor of the matter is, you have no idea why people choose to wear that, and while I’m sure some people may be coerced into it, but for the most part, I’m positive that the majority of people are choosing to wear these garbs willingly.
Are you really about to sit here and tell me that there’s a difference between a yamaka and a burka? Do people willingly choose to wear yamakas, or do they have to wear them? Do people choose to wear dastars or do they have to be worn? Given this is a European country, I’m going to assume that there isn’t any sort of religious law here, meaning that people can dress how they want.
I can very easily make this argument that you made about yamakas and why those should not be allowed in public, and then I can use the fact that the country that claims to be the sole representive of Jewish people, is using their religion to commit a genocide, so I can even make an argument that wearing a yamaka causes people to feel unsafe in public areas.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 days ago
If you’re not willing to grant me that virtually every woman wearing a burka or niqab does so because she has to, not because she wants to, then we’re so far apart on this that there’s nothing to discuss.
dastanktal@hexbear.net 2 days ago
“grant me my racist stereotype, or I’m not talking to you”
Interesting strategy, cotton, let’s see how that plays out.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 days ago
In Iran, women are required by law to wear the hijab. In Afghanistan, they’re required by the Taliban to wear a burka or at least a niqab. In Sudan, hijab was mandatory for women until 2019, and the same applies in Saudi Arabia and the Aceh province of Indonesia. But sure - go ahead and call me racist for even daring to suggest they’re doing it for any reason other than their own free choice.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
“While the niqab is a commendable act in Islam, it is not obligatory for Muslim women. The majority of scholars agree that covering the face and hands is not required, as supported by Quranic verses and Hadiths. A Muslim woman fulfills her religious obligations by adhering to the conditions of the hijab, making the niqab a matter of personal choice rather than a strict religious duty.”
Sure, many are in families that push them to do it, but in the end it’s not like they’re not allowed not to by the religion.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 days ago
I never claimed otherwise. It’s the lived experience that matters, not the literal interpretation of the original text.
As I said elsewhere in the thread: The Quran and hadiths, while not always explicit, make multiple references to how women should dress. Different countries and religious sects interpret these rules differently, but it all boils down to the same thing: in these cultures, there are consequences for women who don’t follow the tradition.
My issue isn’t with covering your face or hair — it’s when the person isn’t truly free to choose. And I’d argue that, especially when it comes to the burka or niqab, that’s the case for a genuinely high percentage.