Comment on My new laptop chip has an 'AI' processor in it, and it's a complete waste of space
CixoUwU@lemmy.cixoelectronic.pl 4 days ago
Yes, i agree and if it must run neural network it could do it on GPU, NPU is not necesary.
Comment on My new laptop chip has an 'AI' processor in it, and it's a complete waste of space
CixoUwU@lemmy.cixoelectronic.pl 4 days ago
Yes, i agree and if it must run neural network it could do it on GPU, NPU is not necesary.
Endmaker@ani.social 4 days ago
Someone with the expertise should correct me if I am wrong; it’s been 4-5 years since I learnt about NPUs during my internship so I am very rusty:
You don’t even need a GPU if all you want to do is to run (i.e. perform inference using) a neural network (abbreviating it to NN). Just a CPU would do if the NN is sufficiently lightweight. The GPU is only needed to speed up the training of NNs.
The thing is, the CPU is a general-purpose processor, so it won’t be able run the NN optimally / as efficiently as possible. Imagine you want to do something that requires the NN and as a result, you can’t do anything else on your phone / laptop (it won’t be problem for desktops with GPUs though).
Where NPU really shines is when there are performance constraints on the model: when it has to be fast, lightweight and memory efficient. Use cases include mobile computing and IoT.
In fact, there’s news about live translation on Apple AirPod. I think this may be the perfect scenario for using NPUs - ideally housed within the earphones directly but if not, within a phone.
Disclaimer: I am only familiar with NPUs in the context of “old-school” convolutional neural networks (boy, tech moves so quickly). I am not familiar with NPUs for transformers - and LLMs by extension - but I won’t be surprised if NPUs have been adapted to work with them.
CixoUwU@lemmy.cixoelectronic.pl 1 day ago
Yes, that’s right, NN can be run on either the CPU or GPU, but a GPU isn’t required. My point is that an NPU isn’t very useful for the average laptop user right now, while a GPU (which also accelerates neural network execution) is more versatile. In my opinion, it’s better to increase the GPU’s power and run NN on it when necessary than to add an NPU that’s useless 95% of the time.
rumba@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
I’m not exactly an expert either but I believe the NPUs were seeing in the wild here are more like efficiency cores for AI.
Using the GPU would be faster, but have much larger energy consumption. They’re basically mathco processors that are good at matrix calculations.