These are all no necessities whete I sit. I use TAN generators for banking. I use Signal and Matrix for messaging.
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moe90@feddit.nl 6 hours agoI think it is quite hard to avoid smartphone nowadays because some necessities such as: ID, messaging, banking etc almost requires smartphones.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
moe90@feddit.nl 6 hours ago
Signal requires a smartphone bro and for matrix (outside of discord). it just normal user does not know about it.
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
While it'd be difficult, you can usually make do with a browser or visiting in-person (e.g. with a bank, they need to know who you are anyway, so visiting in-person is mostly just an inconvenience). Physical ID is likely still going to be a thing for the forseeable future since at minimum there are bunch of old people who basically don't know how to use smartphones (or at least use them well).
Messaging is more problematic. You could probably use a combination of something that functions on your computer and a dumb phone for urgent things (although since messages/calls wouldn't be E2EE, you'd have to assume the govt knows the contents of the convo).
IMO it's entirely feasible just quite inconvenient.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 minutes ago
It will be inconvenient, but I’m right there with you.
moe90@feddit.nl 6 hours ago
Digital ID or passport with smartphone is there and even many EU countries embraces and hell even ICAO endorse it. The future for world with smartphone only is closer.
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
I personally don't think that's really feasible unless they provide smartphones for every citizen themselves, and even then people like my grandparents would basically not be able to live given that they only barely know how to message me (and even that they do wrong sometimes, so...). They can certainly make it difficult without a smartphone, but they likely can't completely eliminate physical IDs until those issues are gone.