Comment on Upvotes and downvotes are public information on Lemmy
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
How do you do this and where can I find this info because I’d like to know.
I’ll start by asking you if I upvoted or downvoted this post.
anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 3 weeks ago
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The weird part of this experiment was that I intentionally didn’t vote at all. I didn’t upvote or downvote … all I did was comment just to see what would happen.
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 3 weeks ago
Any comment starts with a +1 from the commenter
jqubed@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s fundamentally a part of how Activity-Pub works. To send any action (on any AP platform) the action must be associated with a username, especially when it’s going to another server/instance. On Lemmy the voting information has always been visible to admins and I think mods, but hidden from ordinary users. If you use a different, compatible platform, though, it might be easily visible. I think Kbin/Mbin shows them to everyone, Friendica shows all votes, and I think Mastodon shows at least the upvotes as favorites/❤️s. You can also go someplace like Lemvotes to see votes.
For a while Piefed tried to get around this by sending up/down votes from alternate accounts on an instance that weren’t tied to any particular user, but I guess that caused its own problems so they stopped. Their option now is to simply prevent votes from federating to other instances, although that means vote totals may vary from one instance to another.
npdean@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Others have pointed out some websites and admins can take it a step further by seeing entire history for any user. Admins have way too much information on Lemmy.
PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
Admins have way too much information on Lemmy.
No, users have way too little information on Lemmy. This whole distinction between "the admins, who see secrets and control the flow of information" versus "the users, who are only allowed to know what we tell them, and have to follow our rules" is a holdover from corporate structures of web service. For the most part, it has no place in the future I would like to see.
The technology makes it impossible to hide the votes. So don't hide the votes. It's okay, as long as people know that's what is going on. But anything that creates that kind of lord-and-peasant dichotomy should be minimized as much as possible within the realities of how things are going to get hosted. Admins can read DMs. So end-to-end encrypt the DMs. Mods and admins can make deletion and bans. So put the users in control of who's allowed to "moderate" their individual feed (this is one thing that as I understand it Bluesky actually did very right), don't partition everything into spaces where at all times the "users" are powerless to overrule someone trying to control their feed for them. And so on. You get the idea.
That's my opinion, others might see it differently, but I really don't get why they copied all elements of the Reddit model when a lot of them have no place (or don't even make sense) in a federated network.
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Just wait until you find out how much info Reddit admins have on redditors
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 3 weeks ago
https://lemvotes.org/