Comment on New executive order puts all grants under political control

• squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah it’s too late. All the delusional gun-slinging second-amendment-spoiting idiots can think they can overthrow a government somehow.

  The last chance to stop this was 13th of June last year.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Gun nuts simply don’t talk that way, let alone believe it. You do not have a cute talking point, you have a fabricated talking point. If we’re going by what the utterly fringe, utterly unserious nuts talk about? I can find fruitcakes spouting any nonsense you like, any topic. Give me a few minutes with a search engine.

    What we can do is defend our families, neighbors and ourselves when ICE comes knocking. The fact that so many of us have guns is a massive deterrent. Notice ICE isn’t raiding places where people are well armed?

    Think the cops and fascists (I repeat myself) are bad now? How do you think they would act if they knew they could kick down any door with no danger to themselves? You might notice how well fucking behaved they are when citizens are openly armed at a protest. Suddenly they just want everything peaceable. Aww, aren’t they sweet?

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    • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I heard that argument so often that the second amendment is there to overthrow tyrannical governments and I heard that from the people claiming that they need guns for that explicit purpose. For work reasons I have quite a bit to do with people from the mountain west and that’s a very common talking point there.

      What we can do is defend our families, neighbors and ourselves when ICE comes knocking.

      That’s seriously even more whack than thinking a bunch of gun nuts could overthrow the government with a “well regulated militia”.

      When you start shooting at ICE, you get another Waco massacre.

      Look at any (and I repeat ANY) other example of a country sliding into fascism. Name even one where owning a gun and “defending” yourself or your family lead to anything but all of them laying dead on the floor.

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      • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        OK, I’ll grant that I don’t talk to people from your region, so I can believe that. My point was about talking points in the wider gun nut world. Yeah, sometimes on obscure forums you might see that as a cheesy post signature, but that’s about it. None of the mainstream GunTubers give the idea so much as a passing mention. And as for anecdotes, I’m not sure I’ve heard the idea expressed IRL. LOL, and I’m originally from Oklahoma!

        If you want to dig through my comments, I have plainly stated, many times, that I understand armed resistance will end my life. And that idea scares the crap out of me. I am well aware that I’d be shaking life a leaf. OTOH, I’ve faced certain death twice and saved my own life, did quite well. (Not that I’d get out of an ICE firefight alive!)

        I’ve thought on this much, got a dog in this fight, and I’ve drawn a line in the sand. If warrantless, masked men come to our home to take my wife, I’m fighting. One would have a very hard time getting me to draw my weapon, but that scenario would git 'er done.

        So if that’s whack, what would you do? Lay down and trust the rule of law to work out? I’m betting we agree that said “rule of law” is getting close to over, and it’s already over if you’re brown. Could you live with yourself if your immigrant wife was dragged from your living room, screaming and terrified, to be sent to a concentration camp? I’ve decided to die with my boots on.

        And what might the imagined firefight accomplish other than my immediate death? I have no idea, never can tell what stories gain traction and what stories are told as “a lone nut”, but the telling would likely end up more like Ruby Ridge than Waco. And this particular story hasn’t been told yet, which is surprising. Maybe I’ll be the one to tell it? Gods I hope not.

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    • btaf45@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      When the right wing dictatorship has safely grabbed full power, they are very likely to eventually take everyone’s guns away just because they can. They will suddenly start telling everyone that we have always been at war with East Asia and you better be a team player. And all the conservatives who have been conditioned to chase the Party Line in goose step formation and forfeit their previous principles will fall in line just like they always do. And within a few years 99% of everyone’s guns will be gone except for the regime.

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  • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    June 13th?

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    • HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think @squaresinger@lemmy.world meant July 13th. Relevant news article

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      • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sorry, yes, by bad. Fixed the typo.

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      • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Ahh, that tracks. Thanks so much.

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