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MTK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

So just the “Appeal to futility” logical fallacy? I’m convinced!

Every change starts somewhere. Yes, 0.001% of the population can be vegan and it most likely won’t save a single slaughterhouse animal. But 1%? That’s already significant enough to make at least some change, and 10%? That’s already setting market trends and modifying industries, 50%?

You get my point. You joining the current vegan population is significant! The vegan population is estimated to be 9% in india and mexico, 5% in Israel, 2% in the UK, 1.5% in the US, and estimated to be a total of 1%-3% of the global population. This is a movement that has probably saved more lives and more gas emissions than many others have.

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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

So just the “Appeal to futility” logical fallacy?

At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice. And the response has to be organized and political, not individualistic and consumerist.

You joining the current vegan population is significant!

It’s significant for popular politics, sure. But a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.

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- MTK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice
  
  It is both, and both affect each other. False dichotomy?
  
  a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.
  
  Strawmaning what being a vegan is. It is far from just turning a blind eye.
  
  The difference between the US and India is that if you go around trying to butcher cows in particularly devote areas of India, you’re subject to serious political reprisals.
  
  You know that they eat plenty of other animals right? If you go there, meat and animal products are a very big part of the local food.
  
  I can’t take these arguments seriously.
  
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  - UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    It is both
    
    It’s induced demand. Increased capacity invited consumption.
    
    You know that they eat plenty of other animals right?
    
    Per capita they’re heavily constrained. They have three times the population and one third the land area. They can’t slaughter animals to match US consumption patterns even if they try.
    
    That’s incentivized a culture of veganism as normal and virtuous, as a consequence. And it has allowed the population to expand to 1.3B without experiencing rates of malnutrition common to more rural countries (Kenya, Argentina, and Haiti, for instance) where enormous stretches of land have been dedicated to feedstock.
    
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- zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  And the response has to be organized and political, not individualistic and consumerist.
  
  Right. This isn’t an argument against veganism; it’s an argument for vegans getting organized.
  
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