The whole point of the criticism of 2A is that every single argument for it is bullshit with no basis in the real world.
You…you mean other than right now? When the gestapo are growing rapidly and straight up kidnapping people? Right now is the entire argument for it.
This comment is the shit I’m literally talking about. I’m assuming you’re on the left and you see shit like this daily, and probably say fascist are running the show and you still stick your head in the sand.
shapesandstuff@feddit.org 2 days ago
Notice how no civil war is breaking out.
Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?
Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?
I’m from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets. yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines - they’re currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future. All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it’s downfall from the sidelines.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.
Who is nobody? Cause in the states it’s getting that way soon.
That’s not how that works at all.
Uhh ok? So why the fuck do you give a shit about what happens here in the states? You don’t know the dynamics here at all, and just see what you are fed by your local news.
Cool, we’re trying to do that as well…
Ok let me know how that goes… assuming you actually post where you’re from
Again…the left isn’t armed like the right is. The right wing wants the crap that’s happening here. You’re not making any sense at all.
BrowseMan@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I think (and this person can correct me if I’m wrong, it’s really how I understood it) the idea was: despite all the 2A theory of “we need guns to defend from tyrannical government, and yes, if it were to happen I’d take up arms” the US is (not so slowly anymore) sliding toward the tyrannical government and we saw no usage of 2A to fight against it.
Your point could be right: it’s because people with the gun generally agree with the government, so no reason to use 2A.
Next question is: even if all leftist were armed, would we start to see ICE agent being shot? No idea.
Oh and, on another note, to compare the US and Myanmar is NOT a good comparison from any point of view.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Again, 20% of the left is armed or lives with someone who is armed… nearly %60 is the right…the right is driving this fascist bullshit. No wonder it’s not being used.
Y>our point could be right: it’s because people with the gun generally agree with the government, so no reason to use 2A.
Exactly.
If ICE starts shooting people, you better bet there would be return fire.
I didn’t compare it to the USA at all. I stated that they’re population was not armed and they still have a civil war happening. Which is counter point to the guy stating that civil wars don’t happen if civs aren’t armed like in his country. Which is bullshit.
shapesandstuff@feddit.org 2 days ago
Exactly, thanks!
logi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Off topic, but Myanmar has had local militias for decades and they were in varying states of rebellion until the democratic reforms in the 2010-2020 period. Yes, the civil war has spread further now, but this was in no way a disarmed country.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Myanmar was heavily restricted on access to firearms. It’s why the 3d printed guns were used a ton early on before the free people could get access to firearms. The junta has relaxed this for supporters of the regime, but saying that they were armed is a bit of a stretch.
shapesandstuff@feddit.org 2 days ago
is this a strawman or just intentionally obtuse?
sure, maybe. probably not, but maybe.
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aaahh there we go, conspiratorial anti “the media” shit that i usually expect from the good ol 2A crowd.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You acted like civil wars happen because the population is armed…so no it wasn’t a strawman it was to point out that you’re ignorantly wrong.
Says the guy who lives in a different country and assumes how the usa is going to be in a civil war because we’re armed…keep your nose in your own countries business. What we do here doesn’t effect you.