It is e2ee – with the LLM context window!
When you email someone outside Proton servers, doesn’t the same thing happen anyway? But the LLM is on Proton servers, so what’s the actual vulnerability?
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DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoWhat exactly is dishonest here? The language on their site is factually accurate, I’ve had to read it 7 times today because of you all.
I object to how it is written. Yes, technically it is not wrong. But it intentionally uses confusing language and rare technical terminology to imply it is as secure as e2ee. They compare it to proton mail and drive that are supposedly e2ee.
hansolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It is e2ee
It is not. Not in any meaningful way.
When you email someone outside Proton servers, doesn’t the same thing happen anyway?
Yes it does.
But the LLM is on Proton servers, so what’s the actual vulnerability?
Again, the issue is not the technology. Tge issue is deceptive marketing. Why doesn’t their site clearly say what you say? Why use confusing technical terms most people won’t understand and compare it to drive that is fully e2ee.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
It is deceptive. This thread is full of people who know enough to not be deceived and they think it should be obvious to everyone… but it’s not.
hansolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Because this is highly nuanced technical hair splitting, which is not typically a good way to sell things.
Look, we need to agree to disagree here, because you are not changing your mind, but I don’t see anything compelling here that’s introduced a sliver of doubt for me. If anything, forcing me to look into it in detail makes me feel more OK with using it.
Whatever. Have a nice day.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
is not typically a good way to sell things.
Ah yes, telling the truth is not good for sales, therefore deception is ok.
Yeah, it seems we won’t agree here. Have a nice day.
loudwhisper@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Only drive is. Email is not always e2ee, it uses zero-access encryption which I believe is the same exact mechanism used by this chatbot, so the comparison is quite fair tbh.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well, even the mail is sometimes e2ee. Making the comparison without specifying is like marketing your safe as being used in Fort Knox and it turns out it is used for payroll documents like in every company. Technically true but misleading as hell. When you hear Fort Know, you think gold vault. If you hear proton mail, you think e2ee even if most mails are external.
loudwhisper@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Email is almost always zero-access encryption (like live chats), considering the % of proton users and the amount of emails between them (or the even smaller % of PGP users). Drive is e2ee like chat history. Basically I see email : chats = drive : history.
Anyway, I agree it could be done better, but I don’t really see the big deal. Any user unable to understand this won’t get the difference between zero-access and e2e.