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• vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s not what “libertarian utopia” is. Also Ayn Rand is not libertarian, more like fascist.

  They want a “thief feudalism”, it’s a different thing. Libertarianism involves rights and freedom of association, while these people want sort of a mafia world.

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  • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I find it interesting, so many proponents of Libertarianism don’t realize that the limits we put on these things they want to exist to stop people from creating neo-feudal fiefdoms.

    Yes, Ayn Rand IS a Libertarian, yes the end result of Libertarianism is a government that is too weak to oppose any organized violence.

    If a government is too weak to stop large scale organized violence you get warlords, of some form, in the modern case it’s whoever has the most wealth to found the largest private army.

    But hey, your not too far off the mark with the whole Nazi bit, after all the word Privatize was invented to describe what the Nazis did with state property.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yes, Ayn Rand IS a Libertarian,

      She didn’t call herself a libertarian and explicitly said she isn’t, libertarians don’t call her a libertarian and explicitly say she isn’t, only people not knowing what the hell they are talking about call her a libertarian.

      There’s absolutely no reason to call her a libertarian. No matter how you’d want that to accuse libertarianism of whatever bad.

      It’s actually funny, there is a bunch of ideologies, all different, and like all of them not mainstream and not left are bunched by idiots under libertarianism just like this. Rand isn’t libertarian (not even in history of her beliefs), Curtis Yarvin isn’t libertarian (despite history of his beliefs), Silicon Valley bros aren’t libertarian (despite them using the word sometimes to the confusion of everyone), and neither are Zelensky and Milei (I mean, there is some awareness of libertarianism in his approahes).

      I find it interesting, so many proponents of Libertarianism don’t realize that the limits we put on these things they want to exist to stop people from creating neo-feudal fiefdoms.

      Bullshit. You might also want to think who’s “we” and what externalia does giving that “we” an ability to “put limits on these things” possess.

      If a government is too weak to stop large scale organized violence you get warlords, of some form, in the modern case it’s whoever has the most wealth to found the largest private army.

      A government is large scale organized violence and warlords.

      But hey, your not too far off the mark with the whole Nazi bit, after all the word Privatize was invented to describe what the Nazis did with state property.

      That claim would require sources, I doubt you have any.

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      • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        She didn’t call herself a libertarian and explicitly said she isn’t

        And North Korea calls its self democratic. Yet we don’t call it a democracy. No, we define these categories by what they are/do/believe in/etc… and like it or not, Ayn Rand’s Objectivism is 100% a component of libertarian ideology, Ayn Rand’s beliefs are very much a core component of Libertarianism, and i’m sorry to inform you that many on that list of yours ARE libertarians, such as Milei. In the same way the Marx&Hegel were a cornerstone of communism.

        But you are correct about Zelenskyy, he is not libertarian.

        Bullshit. You might also want to think who’s “we” and what externalia does giving that “we” an ability to “put limits on these things” possess.

        Standard Libertarian response that basically ignores the existence of anything outside the individual

        Also, from the person who you believe isn’t a Libertarian: The source of the government’s authority is “the consent of the governed.” This means that the government is not the ruler, but the servant or agent of the citizens; it means that the government as such has no rights except the rights delegated to it by the citizens for a specific purpose. -Ayn Rand, Galt’s Speech.

        A government is large scale organized violence and warlords. Spoken just like Rand herself! “Only a government holds that power. The nature of governmental action is: coercive action. The nature of political power is: the power to force obedience under threat of physical injury—the threat of property expropriation, imprisonment, or death.” The Virtue of Selfishness “The Nature of Government,” The Virtue of Selfishness, again Ayn Rand.

        Lastly, on privatization: www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257%2Fjep.20.3.187

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  • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    From the perspective of a foreigner who has lived in the US, libertarianism is very much a scheme created by local oligarchs.

    Americans think they are special and it’s only in other countries that people can fall for propaganda and schemes.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      From the perspective of a Russian you don’t know what you are talking about.

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      • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I would argue that’s part of the (unfortunate) effectiveness of libertarianism as an oligarch polemic.

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  • ILoveUnions@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Libertarianism does not involve rights and freedoms. It involves pretend rights and freedoms, with a ruleset that guarantees they will be lost

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It doesn’t involve anything other than rights and freedoms. There’s simply no space for you not being a bullshitting leftie jerk here.

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