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Booboofinget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

I pretty much like Epic. I’ve gotten tons of free quality games for free that don’t have micropayment or tons of ads. Sure they might not be the newest version of the game, but there is something to be said about playing a game free from ads and not feeling like a second class citizen for not spending more on a “free” game than most people spend on rent and groceries combined.

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Feyd@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
That’s cool and all, but the plan is to buy their way in by running at a massive loss then enshittify. Rather, even if that is not the current plan (it probably is), it will inevitably become the plan because it is a publicly traded company.

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- unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yup. At some point even the play store was cool, somewhat nice to use and full of good free games. It always follows the same rulebook. Sadly people dont learn from history.
  
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Weslee@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Just remember that they are trying to create a walled garden of exclusives, publishers are essentially bribed to publish their games only on the EGS. The money that funds these exclusivity deals, and your free games, are being funded majorly by selling gambling lootboxes to kids.

Also don’t forget that you are not being given ownership of those games, it’s pretty widely known by now that digital copies are not ownership, epic is fully able and capable to take those games from you.

Do you think the moment they decide that this “free game bribe tactic” isn’t working, they won’t just remove the free games given at the drop of a hat.

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- logan_hero@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  The money that funds these exclusivity deals, and your free games, are being funded majorly by selling gambling lootboxes to kids.
  
  How the hell they would make so much money from gambling while not offering it in any first party games? Or the 12% from gacha like games is enough to fuel the entire game shop nowadays?
  
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- Booboofinget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  They are currently installed locally, and I even played at least one while the internet was down.
  
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brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Yeah, I get there’s complications and scummy statements, but at the end of the day people complain a. Lot about a free, reasonably simple and low fee storefront that’s missing tons of features but… works fine? And they have like a 0% chance of ever getting a monopoly.

Hence I never really understand being so vehemently “fuck EGS.” Unreal has given me some sweet games, especially compared to some failures of custom engines. These court cases are another, even if they’re for their own benefit.

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- Badabinski@kbin.earth ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I don't like them because they took games that were perfectly functional on Linux and MacOS and made them not function anymore. I paid for Rocket League with the understanding that I'd be able to play it, and now I can't.
  
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  - Rose@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That was a side effect of them upgrading the game from DX9 to DX11 and from 32-bit to 64-bit. Also, are you consistent and dislike Valve as a company for doing the same with CS2 for Mac?
    
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  - brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah that parts awful.
    
    To be fair, a lot of the games on EGS are nicely DRM free (so no trouble in proton), but Rocket League is not one of them.
    
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    dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Rocket League seems to work fine with Proton GE.
    
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- Nilz@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Probably a large part of the hate is because of the all exclusivity deals that they made at the time.
  
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  - brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Which is understandable, but also feels overblown seeing how Steam has a defacto monopoly and “soft” exclusivity (eg they will allegedly delist you if you try to price lower on lower fee stores). And that there have been exclusives on other stores, albeit less common ones for big games.
    
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    Feyd@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I don’t think steam is perfect, but they have shown over the years they will go above and beyond to make a good experience for the consumer, including tagging all kinds of negative things on games such as specific DRMs and drastically advancing the ability to run windows games on Linux
    
    No publicly traded company will ever develop that kind of track record even if you give it a chance.
    
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    sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The only exclusives AFAIK are Valve games (understandable) and games that don’t bother listing elsewhere. I also think Valve’s “no undercutting” policy is reasonable. They give you free keys to sell elsewhere if you choose, and you can have sales happen elsewhwre at a different time (or the same) vs Steam, the only requirement is that you don’t undercut Steam.
    
    That’s very far from monopolistic behavior. Adding to that, Valve also invests heavily in their own platform, providing features like Steam Input, Proton/Steam OS, etc.
    
    Epic, on the other hand, bribes users to come via free games, bribes devs via paid exclusivity, and hasn’t meaningfully invested in their platform, they’re still lightyears away from Steam, and even GOG is way better from a features standpoint.
    
    Which is showing more monopolistic behavior? Epic, and it’s not even close. The only “monopolistic” behavior from Valve is being really popular, and I think they’ve earned that.
    
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    Rose@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Allegedly? There is plenty of evidence of that in the Wolfire lawsuit. See for yourself from page 160 here.
    
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