Is it a representative democracy with secrecy laws? Then no.
There is no democracy on this planet because all democracies are representative democracies. In representative democracies the politicians are not representative of the people, but they promise to do things a certain way, and if people elect them for it, that’s like indirect representation.
However this breaks down as soon as secrecy laws are put in place, because if the government or private companies can decide which knowledge will reach the people, and which will not, they will simply declare information that will upset their voters to be secret. This breaks all representative democracies.
For me democracy means rule of the people.
Of course you can define words as you want, and say that only direct democracy is rule of the people, while representative democracy can be oligarchy dressed as democracy, but for me using such a definition makes the word democracy meaningless and undesirable.
People are voted here for the person there are or for their idea’s on certain subject or whatever somebody chooses to make their vote. Everybody can enlist themselves to be voted on different levels on the politic spectrum. Heck, it is even is a spectrum instead of a 2 or 3 party system.
A lot of what is done in the government is transparent and open for the public to read/see, a lot of our justice system is publicly available as well (except certain cases regarding children).
Most companies have to be transparent at least on a financial level and most of the bigger once also on other levels.
Let’s say i put myself out there and say people should vote for me if they want world peace.
Let’s assume the people vote for me, because they want world peace.
Now that i am elected, a lobbyist from a arms company visits me and asks me to grant them an export license to sell weapons to an agressor (let’s assume i have the right to sign such deals).
Are there laws in place that allow me to prevent my voters from finding out that i granted that export license, like a law that says i don’t need to report publicly that i signed this? Or maybe even a law that prevents journalists from reporting on this even if they find out, because the contract (or it’s contents) are considered secret and publishing it would be illegal?
We have a lot of registers and depending on the licence the company or person receives it will be made public. Things like building changes, export of live animals etc. You can look some up over here: nvwa.nl/…/overzicht-bedrijven-met-erkenningen-reg…
So it just works differently, if you would want to pass a law that changes how those licences are signed, it would be known, and you wouldn’t be the person signing it. The office of justice would be, and probably it is checked multiple times before it even gets there that it isn’t financing terrorism or something which is illegal according to the WWFT and some other laws.
Pretty sure a journalist is allowed to write about anything and everything www.rijksoverheid.nl/…/persvrijheid-bewaken there are probably some exceptions on things like kids etc, but a public spokesperson doesn’t have that anyway.
This law goes on about the open government: wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0045754/2025-07-01
And there are multiple parties who try and keep businesses somewhat in check (like accountants, the fiod, etc.)
So if you would try and pull this off in The Netherlands you would have a hard time doing it and I doubt you can do it without somebody being a whistleblower.
sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 3 weeks ago
Is it a representative democracy with secrecy laws? Then no.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Representative democracy is a type of democracy. You’re not doing anyone any favors by conflating “direct democracy” and “democracy”.
Though somehow, I feel like you know exactly what you’re doing…
sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 3 weeks ago
For me democracy means rule of the people.
Of course you can define words as you want, and say that only direct democracy is rule of the people, while representative democracy can be oligarchy dressed as democracy, but for me using such a definition makes the word democracy meaningless and undesirable.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Yeah, this is me defining words, and not established definitions that have literally been in use for hundreds of years 🙄
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
People are voted here for the person there are or for their idea’s on certain subject or whatever somebody chooses to make their vote. Everybody can enlist themselves to be voted on different levels on the politic spectrum. Heck, it is even is a spectrum instead of a 2 or 3 party system.
A lot of what is done in the government is transparent and open for the public to read/see, a lot of our justice system is publicly available as well (except certain cases regarding children).
Most companies have to be transparent at least on a financial level and most of the bigger once also on other levels.
Our politic system is far from ideal though: democratiemonitor.nl/…/Democratie-Monitor-2025.pd…
sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 3 weeks ago
Let’s say i put myself out there and say people should vote for me if they want world peace.
Let’s assume the people vote for me, because they want world peace.
Now that i am elected, a lobbyist from a arms company visits me and asks me to grant them an export license to sell weapons to an agressor (let’s assume i have the right to sign such deals).
Are there laws in place that allow me to prevent my voters from finding out that i granted that export license, like a law that says i don’t need to report publicly that i signed this? Or maybe even a law that prevents journalists from reporting on this even if they find out, because the contract (or it’s contents) are considered secret and publishing it would be illegal?
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
We have a lot of registers and depending on the licence the company or person receives it will be made public. Things like building changes, export of live animals etc. You can look some up over here: nvwa.nl/…/overzicht-bedrijven-met-erkenningen-reg…
Weapon licences go through the police instead of the government itself justis.nl/…/een-ontheffing-op-de-wet-wapens-en-mu… the office of justice needs to sign it off it seems.
So it just works differently, if you would want to pass a law that changes how those licences are signed, it would be known, and you wouldn’t be the person signing it. The office of justice would be, and probably it is checked multiple times before it even gets there that it isn’t financing terrorism or something which is illegal according to the WWFT and some other laws.
Pretty sure a journalist is allowed to write about anything and everything www.rijksoverheid.nl/…/persvrijheid-bewaken there are probably some exceptions on things like kids etc, but a public spokesperson doesn’t have that anyway.
This law goes on about the open government: wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0045754/2025-07-01 And there are multiple parties who try and keep businesses somewhat in check (like accountants, the fiod, etc.)
So if you would try and pull this off in The Netherlands you would have a hard time doing it and I doubt you can do it without somebody being a whistleblower.