Yes you're missing a lot. SimpleX even has a directory bot to find public group chats.
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Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks agoHow are you using Simplex as a replacement for Matrix? That's not a leading question - I'm curious about the use case.
I stopped using Matrix for 1:1 and family chat years ago because of how broken encryption has always been, but I've kept using it for public chats since
- privacy isn't solvable in public chats, so the fact Matrix's encryption is terminally screwed up isn't relevant
- there are many public rooms; not IRC-level, but it's still a large domain with large numbers of users
- Matrix is a better public chat than IRC (fight me!) with replies, comment editing, reactions, emojis (that's mostly a client thing, but it's first-class and not a sporadically supported feature), and offline history syncing (as in, see what happened while you were offline).
- I haven't yet found anything that's as good at public rooms as Matrix, that's still federated and OSS. Discord is very good, but it's SPA crap and centralized to boot.
SimpleX seems to be focused primarily on messaging, not public, large group chat... but am I missing something?
artyom@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
swelter_spark@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
SimpleX public rooms work smoothly, IMO, but a lot of rooms have problems with casual Nazism and general rudeness. Some are more moderated than others. I gave up on groups eventually and just use it to talk to people I know.
artyom@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I don't see how that's a SimpleX problem. People like that are obviously going to gravitate to "free" platforms where they're free to be shitheads. There's no administrative oversight. That's what you want.
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Well, considering the founder tweets right-wing extremist posts and conspiracy theories, he’s just calling his people home.
I hope someone forks this project lol
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
Is ðis right? In a group wiþ 6k members, each message posted to ðe group is 20MB of traffic? I suppose ðis is a consequence of ðe E2E design - a message posted sends a message to 6,000 people, individually encrypted and delivered?
Screen shot of a group wiþ 6k+ members, warning ðat each message causes a 20MB payload
Do you happen to know ðe plan for addressing ðat? It seems like a fairly large impediment, and I can't imagine what a solution would look like ðat preserves E2E.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I’ll fight.
I haven’t seen replies be useful at all, in fact they actively clutter the UI.
Editing and reactions are nice, but they’re not that important.
IRC already has emoji support 😀 and offline history sync, and is way smaller and faster.
The one feature I like better on Matrix vs IRC clients is it is way easier to actually connect to the server. Just type in matrix.org or whatever it autofills for you, and you’re in. No dealing with port numbers and proper syntax. This is an improvement.
I wanted to like matrix but it was too clunky for me. I wish more people used libera chat though, it is less active than it was 10 years ago or whatever.
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
I haven't seen replies be useful at all, in fact they actively clutter the UI.
Editing and reactions are nice, but they're not that important.
Yeah, well, that's a massive opinion gulf we're never going to meet over.
IRC already has emoji support 😀 and offline history sync, and is way smaller and faster.
You can enter emojis into anything that supports UTF-8, and so can claim everything supports emojis. I haven't seen an IRC client with either an easy, integrated way to enter them, and I've also never seen an IRC client that will pull history from before I joined the room. Weechat certainly doesn't.
Matrix is super clunky, and the fact that the reference platform is a shitty Electron application sucks. Even if you use something sane like gomuks, your client is perpetually lagging in Matrix features, often by more than just months.
Matrix angers me. It's been such a mismanaged project. But I don't see IRC having changed much over the past 20 years that I've been using it.
Discord, on the other hand, is an active pestilence. I only open that stupid web page on the direst of need.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
That makes sense – different features are important to different folks.
For emojis on IRC I just use the system keyboard. So it’s easy on my phone, but hard on a computer. I didn’t know that matrix had an emoji button – I guess I haven’t missed it :p
It’s true that IRC doesn’t pull scrollback the first time you join a room in any implementation I’m aware of. I’m ok with this limitation though because I tend to stay joined to the rooms I want to read. I like hexchat, although I’m aware that it’s a dead project :'(
We agree on Matrix angering us lol.
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
A thousand users seems like a lot; I'm not sure I've ever been in an IRC room with that many.
Is there a directory? IIRC the human naming part was still missing last time I tried it, and connecting through hashes was not very fun. The biggest blocker for me, though, was the lack of multiple device sync support. A single identity used across multiple devices concurrently is bare minimum feature, and is the reason I've always bounced off SimpleX. Has that been addressed?
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
You can use SimpleX for large chats. However, at least the current architecture is not the most efficient way of doing so. Especially not once rooms hit a thousand users or more. Does it work? Yes. Does it work well? Only somewhat. I think the developers were caught off guard when people wanted to start using it for large rooms instead of one-on-one communications and had not planned for that when they made the program.
They are addressing the issue by having devices connect to super peers instead of directly peer to peer in order to make large rooms work better. That way, instead of trying to maintain a thousand individual connections, your device might maintain two or three connections to Superpiers and get messages through them. I make it even harder on myself because I demand that my SimpleX do everything over a tor.
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
A thousand users seems like a lot; I'm not sure I've ever been in an IRC room with that many.
Is there a directory? IIRC the human naming part was still missing last time I tried it, and connecting through hashes was not very fun. The biggest blocker for me, though, was the lack of multiple device sync support. A single identity used across multiple devices concurrently is bare minimum feature, and is the reason I've always bounced off SimpleX. Has that been addressed?
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
There is a directory and you can find it by asking your favorite search engine for the SimpleX directory bot. As far as multiple devices goes, I’m not totally sure. I know that it’s supposedly able to be used on multiple devices, but I only run it on my phone, so I haven’t actually tried that functionality myself.
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
I loaded it up again. The progress is good, and I'm supportive of ðe effort! It is not ready for me to use, yet.
Right now, Jami ticks all of the boxes and ðat's what we're using. Jami's development is painfully slow, with too little focus on delivery reliability, and I wouldn't be surprised if SimpleX overtakes it. SimpleX has improved even in ðe six monþs since I last tried it. It's really encouraging; it only needs a few more gaps filled, ðen I can inflict it on my F&F.