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• Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  80 % of Jews are Zionists.

  Most anti-Zionists consider all Jews in Israel to be settlers. So you end up with half the Jews in camps.

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  • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Okay, so we’ve gone from “80%” to “half.”

    Interesting.

    Now, consider the fact that they used “settler” and “IDF” separately. That tells me that they actually don’t believe every single Jew in Israel is a settler, and in fact they are referring specifically to the illegal settler movement that is actively and continually stealing more land as we speak.

    So. All members of the active and ongoing settler movement and IDF members. I don’t see how that’s unreasonable.

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    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Half of Jews live in Israel. 80% of Jews worldwide are Zionists, if not more.

      Among the anti-Zionists the words settlers, occupation, Zionist have different definitions. The most extreme use these words to appeal to moderates, who then think they are in agreement.

      When Hamas speaks about settlers and occupation they mean all of Israel and all Jews living there. The naive western activist doesn’t understand that though and erroneously thinks it’s about the West Bank only. The idea of killing or pushing out the Jews/settlers/Zionists, which are used interchangeably in Arabic, and taking back their ancestors houses they still have the key to, is mainstream among Palestinians.

      A similar thing happens when Jew is replaced with Zionist by extremists. Suddenly it become far more palatable even though most Jews are Zionists, as in believe Israel should exist. Antisemites love this little trick. The use of the word Zionist has moved the meaning a lot. It’s now closer to just mean evil Jew. Which is exactly how far right antisemites have used this word for decades in terms like ZOG.

      Hamas also routinely uses the following argument: there are no Israeli civilians because they all serve in the IDF.

      I agree that soldiers who have committed war crimes and politicians who ordered crimes against humanity should be brought to justice.

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      • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m pretty sure Hamas uses “settler” to refer to the Europeans and their descendents, because Israel is an active settler-colonial project.

        Not because they’re Jewish, but because they’re white.

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  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I personally say yes! Put 80% of jews in camps! Fuck them, they lost their right to play victim.

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