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the state does a lot to give them that monopoly

that’s what i implied, because they control it in the first place. companies like amazon are more powerful than nation states, and they exercise that power.

if they make a big mistake or want labour law adjusted, they can get the state to coddle them, because they privately control, say, the entire food supply (ie the means of production) without which the state has no power. this has been the state’s modus operandi for more than 100 years.

aaron schwartz was literally just a dude, a tiny player in the game with not even a slight base of comparison with the oligarchs. shit, having a couple million dollar net worth is still not enough to be powerful like oligarchs.

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rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

yes that’s precisely what i implied, because they control it in the first place. companies like amazon are more powerful than nation states, and they exercise that power.

And I’m trying to say that the state helping them was first.

this has been the capitalist state’s modus operandi for more than 100-200 years. and the oligarch’s power precede it, they shaped it that way back then.

Not really. Every month, year, decade is different.

aaron schwartz was literally just a dude, not remotely comparable to oligarchs.

He had the right ideas of how to solve one particular industry which is the spearhead of barbarism. And he somehow committed suicide in jail.

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- umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  the oligarchy as it currently stands precedes the capitalist state as we know it today. some of them even come from the very same families, like they are fucking kings.
  
  and yes, despite capitalism having changed over time, its basic power structures have remained the same for the last century at least.
  
  and that’s nothing, if you consider feudalism lasted even longer while also changing but keeping more or less the same types of power structures.
  
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  - rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    the oligarchy as it currently stands precedes the capitalist state as we know it today. some of them even come from the very same families, like they are fucking kings (they are)
    
    I mean, these are terms with vague borders - oligarchy, feudalism, capitalism …
    
    About same families - I guess in France/Italy/Germany or in Japan maybe.
    
    and that’s nothing, if you consider feudalism lasted even longer
    
    Same problem. Arguably in Britain a lot of it still lasts, and in Germany.
    
    OK. So my point was specifically about modern regress and tech corporations. Not all of history.
    
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