Comment on Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?

• Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Screwing over and generally being a major asshole in eve online that screwed a lot of people out of very real money.

  Ok but… That’s the correct way to play EVE online.

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• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Really? From the 5-10 min of his videos that I watched over the last 2 weeks when trying to figure out why people dislike him, I didn’t see any of that nonsense. That’s really too bad if true, because he seemed like a pretty level-headed guy who was a pretty laid-back gamer (no yelling or other form of aggression, which is unfortunately common among streamers). I watched some clips of:

  • take on Godot - defended Godot despite some missteps and (IMO) correctly pointed out that their PR person probably got overrun after a somewhat controversial comment that was apparently intended to be a joke (the “woke” post)
  • take on SKG - got a little unhinged in his follow-up video, but I hear there were swatting attempts after the first, so I understand the frustration
  • an “infamous” clip of WoW where he allegedly left his teammate to die (but he was clearly following other orders to run)

  That’s about it. He didn’t seem like a toxic person who routinely trolls and screws people in games, just kind of your average, run-of-the-mill streamer who’s a little low-key but still out there to create content to get people to watch.

  Then again, he could totally be the jerk you make him out to be. It’s really hard to tell what’s a legitimate explanation of things and what’s people looking for a reason to slander him because they don’t like his take on SKG. The couple of articles I read seemed to mostly be the latter, but they also didn’t mention most of what you did here. So idk, I guess I haven’t made up my mind about him, but honestly, I don’t think it’s really worth digging into because I’m not into his content anyway.

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  • descartador@lemmy.eco.br ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You watched 5 minutes of his own verbal diarrhea and formed a full opinion on him?

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, I explicitly said I don’t have a strong opinion on him. I’m not going to knee-jerk follow the hate train just because of a bad take on SKG and a couple of emotional videos where he said some moderately offensive things. Maybe he’s really a bad dude, idk, but I’m not going to jump on the bandwagon.

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      • descartador@lemmy.eco.br ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fair enough, by the way, valid point

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  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    From the 5-10 min of his videos

    There’s the problem: you won’t get evidence of a murder if you ask the murderer for it.
    He streams a lot, so the things he says or does are spread out, especially if you’re only looking for noticeably damning stuff like the rim job related rant against SKG.

    His confidence and speechcraft makes him very good at steering conversations by lying or deflecting, as long as you trust what he says.

    Good places to start looking may be his conversation with Dr. K or Ross’ “The end of Stop Killing Games” on Youtube, both are hosted by level headed people.
    I can only assume you haven’t seen the latter, because at the very least it makes it very apparent why people dislike him.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dr. K

      This one? He sounds like an awesome dude according to his bio, but I’ve never seen anything by him, I’ll check him out.

      And I haven’t seen any conversations between him and Ross. I did see snippets of his original reaction, where he seemed to completely misunderstand the petition, and his follow-up, unhinged rant, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the latter because he had apparently gotten a lot of negative attention (swatting attempts, calls for him to leave the publisher he was at, and random negative remarks on his own games), so I think it’s quite possible his attack on Ross was an emotional reaction to that negative attention, and not level-headed attack on Ross (I’ve seen nothing to suggest Ross is anything other than an awesome guy).

      So my opinion on PirateSoftware is relatively neutral. He seems to be on the better end of the streamer range, which isn’t saying much (lots of popular streamers are pretty toxic). I don’t think he’s anyone to look up to, and I wish he’d either have Ross on to discuss the petition or thoroughly read and understand it so he can elucidate his opposition to it, both of which I think would be helpful for his audience to form an actual opinion instead of borrowing his. But maybe he’s on the worse end of that spectrum, I don’t know, since again, I’ve only watched a few minutes of his content and he seemed like your average streamer who exaggerates their credentials and leans into “content,” and I’m not surprised clowning on people is part of that.

      I literally had not heard of him a month ago, so I’m missing a ton of context. However, nothing I’ve seen makes me want to watch more of his content (he’s definitely not my style), but nothing makes me think he should be “cancelled” or whatever. Aside from some offensive remarks, I don’t think he’s really hurting anyone.

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      • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The (alleged) swatting didn’t happen before “The End Of SKG”.
        I also don’t think he deserves cancellation, but he has lied so many times, so confidently and so unrepentantly that he deservers very little credibility.

        I understand that some people would feel sympathy for the somewhat excessive negative attention he got (not from me, he lost my sympathy the first time I saw him blatantly lying and lobbing insults) but with the way he ALWAYS behaved, he absolutely had some of it coming.

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      • 9bananas@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        he’s repeatedly refused to talk to ross;

        after the first video pirate software uploaded about SKG, ross left a comment offering clarifications and a chance to talk about the petition and surrounding misconceptions.

        ross was refused an answer.

        then PS uploaded more videos, and streams, with even more misinformation.

        ross ignored it at that point and just continued doing his thing, advocating for the petition, giving updates, etc.

        then it looked like the petition would fail, so ross decided there’s nothing left to lose by talking about the drama with PS, and lo and behold, suddenly all youtubers and streamers were suuuper onboard, helped spread the drama, and as a consequence SKG reached its goal… because of the drama.

        so a net positive overall, but sad that it’s only because drama sells ads on streaming and video sites…really just a dumb state of affairs…

        and to be clear: ross wasn’t at all vindictive in his video. frustrated by the situation, yes, but ultimately it was a very fair and sober response.

        highly recommend checking it out; from what you said so far, i think you’ll enjoy the level-headed approach ross took!

        here’s a link to the vid

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