ugh. “collectivist” is a word coined by western chauvinists. that’s not a real dichotomy. your fucking Abrahamic countries are far more collectivist than us soulless confucianists
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rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 days agoJapanese people tend to make a big deal out of the “human touch,” especially when it comes to service, so I can see how companies aren’t jumping on to the hype. We’re also pretty slow to adopt change.
And that’s pretty cool, seems like a culture best suited for modern challenges.
I’ve heard\read there are many racist, paternalist, hierarchical and collectivist traits, but at the same time Japan apparently hasn’t hit those honeypots most of the humanity has.
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Depends on the point in time really. I meant “collectivism” in the bolshevik sense, the kind somewhat preventing horizontal mobility because why treat a person separately from their collective.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
I’ve heard\read there are many racist, paternalist, hierarchical and collectivist traits,
We definitely have all that!
Also, I found it interesting that someone mentioned how you used “collectivist” as a negative feature of Japanese culture. While it certainly could be, it’s actually nice to see when people are genuinely wanting to help each other. The problem is our hierarchical culture where some shitbag on top takes advantage of our collectivist mindset for their own gains.
*Everyone else is working unpaid overtime, why can’t you?! *Almost nobody being worked overtime is going to say that. Workers will take it for the good of the imaginary “team” because some manager convinced them it’s the right thing to do. Luckily, probably thanks to my Canadian upbringing, I’ve always been able to say no to ridiculous shit like this. That, and I work for myself, so the only ones who boss me around are my wife and kids.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Well, yes, I got your point and also
We definitely have all that!
TBH sometimes it’s better to have all that explicitly than implicitly and deny it, like most western societies do, because, well, a human society can’t morally raise above the human limitations.
Feyd@programming.dev 3 days ago
Weird how you say collectivist like it’s a bad thing
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It is. It replaces one’s own choices with a collective’s common “choice”, and that is usually substituted with most loud and ambitious people’s choice from inside the collective, or the voices that those from outside prefer to hear from it. Bad all around.
Mutual aid and brotherhood are not collectivism. The philosophy that a group of individuals can be regarded as a subject is, possibly without regard for the comprising individuals.
RightEdofer@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
This is incredibly reductionist. Wow.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The irony.
Feyd@programming.dev 3 days ago
Like most things, there isn’t an a/b divide but a spectrum between the two, and in this case it’s even more complicated because a society could take a collectivist view about one thing and an individualist view about others.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Definitely. Even some abstract ideologies do.
Say, in ancap finite resources not created by humans (territory, numbers, technologies) are treated as collective property ideally, but since it’s impossible to create anything without them, as private property when mixed with labor. Which means that unused territory belongs to a person who claims it and uses it for something.