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At least where I work, our cloud team is ~35 people who manage the whole thing.

The datacenter team? In the hundreds.

Cloud is not the answer to every infra problem, but the flexibility, time to market, and lifecycle burden are easily beneficial weighed against finops. I’m an Azure engineer myself, it’s no comparison the benefits to a managed solution vs rolling your own DC for a lot of regular business workloads and solutions. Beyond that personally I’ve been able to skill up in areas I wouldn’t be able to otherwise if I was stuck troubleshooting bad cables, rebuilding a dead RAID array, or planning VMWare scaling nonsense.

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loudwhisper@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
But those are absolutely not the only 2 levels. Server rental can be managed easily by the same infra team who manages the cloud, for a fraction of cost.

I will say more, the same exact team that spends time managing EKS clusters could manage self-managed clusters and have money to spare for additional hires.

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- partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  I will say more, the same exact team that spends time managing EKS clusters could manage self-managed clusters and have money to spare for additional hires.
  
  Your suggestions is a large expansion of skillset needed for your alternative to the cloud solution. Your own experience in attempting to hire workers should point to the reason thats a bad idea. You’re going to need even higher skilled people, and they are going to ask for significantly more money.
  
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  - loudwhisper@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I wouldn’t say it’s a large expansion of skillset, meaning it’s not massive. But yes, indeed it is problematic to find people. It is because this is a vicious circle in which companies are digging their own graves by eliminating a market for those people, which in turn means that those who would want to hire some can’t find them easily, leading to outsourcing instead. Do this for 15 years across the whole industry and it stops being an option, which is pretty much where we are today. That said, training and upskilling is always a possibility for companies who invest on their own employees and are playing the long game…
    
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