Comment on Why Americans Can’t Buy the World’s Best Electric Car

• jaek@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  China builds cars using massive government subsidies, slave labor, and local resources that aren’t available to anyone else in the world

  Why are Japanese and Korean cars also better/cheaper than American cars then?

  Slave labor

  Citation needed

  Massive government subsidies

  The US doesn’t massively subsidise auto-makers

  But yeah china bad

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  • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Why are Japanese and Korean cars also better/cheaper than American cars then?

    They’re not cheaper than American cars. Go price some out.

    Citation needed

    reuters.com/…/canadas-trudeau-suggests-china-uses…

    The US doesn’t massively subsidise auto-makers?

    China subsidizes Chinese companies. The US gives subsidies to manufacturers from all over the world via tax credits to buyers.

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• Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  China builds cars using massive government subsidies

  The federal government ended the the EV subsidy a few years ago.

  slave labor

  lmao. We know what slavery looks like, you can see it in the cotton fields outside Angola Prison. I saw farmers driving combine harvesters in Xinjiang.

  local resources that arent available

  You’re getting closer. Through 1 and 5 year plans, the CPC uses SoEs (and sometimes just asks private companies “nicely”) to ensure the foundational inputs, steel, rubber, chips, college graduates, etc are all available to industry at the specific price point and volume that competing private firms need to produce say, 100m EVs or a million more apartments.

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  • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The federal government ended the the EV subsidy a few years ago.

    Buyers of any EV not just American EVs.

    lmao. We know what slavery looks like, you can see it in the cotton fields outside Angola Prison, rows of enslaved people, and overseer on a horse, all behind barbed wire.

    I’m glad you find slavery so comical.

    Were these inmates enslaved for their religious beliefs being different than the official party line? We they imprisoned for not wanting to be controlled by a dictatorship? No. No they weren’t.

    Through 1 and 5 year plans, the CPC uses SoEs (and sometimes just asks private companies “nicely”) to ensure the foundational inputs, steel, rubber, chips, college graduates, etc are all available to industry at the specific price point and volume that competing private firms need to produce say, 100m EV or a million more apartments.

    Gee, it sure sounds like you’re listing even more slavery than I mentioned. Imagine Trump declaring that every college grad needs to make themselves available to build a border wall.

    Any country can do a little central planning to make sure private industry has what it needs, but this only works if you’re able to take action against companies that exploit the system.

    The only exploitation mentioned here is the government exploiting the people. It seems your argument is based on your warped belief that if the US is committing atrocities than it’s okay for everyone else to do so, yet your examples are in stark contrast to what’s happening here. Your views are frankly quite disgusting and proof of how absurd the Chinese government’s propaganda arm is.

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Buyers of any EV not just American EVs.

      I was talking about china, their federal govt ended ev subsidies in 2022. I suspect some city and provincial level govts still do various types of subsidies.

      We they imprisoned for not wanting to be controlled by a dictatorship?

      Bro are you trying to justify slavery in the US? You dont have to do that to criticize China. But you have to have to learn about its actual problems, not just accept any silly stories western media comes up with. Try visiting some time, its incredibley cheap, you can rent out decent sized apartments for 15/night in most cities, theres also sleeper trains, combine transport and 1 nights lodging, and food is often <2usd/meal.

      Imagine Trump declaring that every college grad needs to make themselves available to build a border wall.

      That’s not how that works at all, they simply invest more into educating people into a particular field to ensure there will be enough people with the required skills in a particular area.

      How did you even misinterpret my post like that?

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• AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You’d have an argument if legacy manufacturers were trying. We could talk about support if they were willing. They don’t want it. They’ve already given up

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  • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    By “legacy manufacturers” you mean every major auto manufacturer in the world that isn’t based in China?Nobody else is selling new cars for as little as $4k because other countries aren’t using slave labor in mines and factory floors. It’s impossible to compete against that unless you engage in it yourself.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yet Chinese cars that meet US standards are quite a bit more than that. Where such vehicles are sold in developed markets, they are more like €30-40k

      • citymagazine.si/…/chinese-cars-in-europe-why-do-w…

      By “legacy manufacturers” I mean those who are stuck on internal combustion engines, and focusing on large trucks and luxury trims.

      Average new car price in the US has greatly outpaced inflation and is currently almost $50k, closing in on a full year gross average income. Most people can’t afford that. For that rice you get old technology engine, old technology transmission, same features we’ve had for years.

      Yet a replacement for my Subaru is much cheaper, only a little over what I paid nine years ago. It has safety features, electronics, and transmission more innovative than us made cars costing twice as much. Many more people can afford this vehicle, and it’s similar in price to what Chinese cars are selling for in Europe.

      We don’t need to compete with $4k cars. We need to compete with cars affordable on average salaries, with new features and unique capabilities.

      While the transition to electric vehicles has been politicized, it’s coming and it’s inexorable. “Legacy manufacturers” are those avoiding that change

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