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Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 days agoDemocratic market socialism is a perfectly moderate ideology. You can also consider weekends, paid leave, women’s vote as socialist policies. It is one of the main political currents founding the EU and South America. Only in the US is it used to describe radicals or as a swearword.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Sure, democratic socialism is center left, I’m talking about actual socialism, which gets promoted here quite a bit. Reddit was mostly dem socs and welfare state proponents, Lemmy takes it a bit further.
Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 days ago
Yes, but that is no reason to disparage socialism itself. In authoritarian socialism, it is the authoritarian part that sucks.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Democratic socialism isn’t socialism though, it’s capitalism with lots of government services.
The authoritarian part is pretty much baked in to “real” socialism since you need something to control the means of production until society is ready, and that hasn’t yet happened. Yes, there are other theorized structures, but they’re unproven.
Tankies (i.e. many of those on .ml) are into the authoritarian part, whereas people here are more into democratic socialism, which is another thing entirely.
Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 days ago
Yes, indeed, socialism is an offshoot of capitalism/liberalism (not neoliberalism) that emerged with the industrial revolution and predates Marxism, but communism coopted the term and made it exclusively authoritarian.