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At least where I'm from it's pretty well known that girls outperform boys in school, probably because their brains develop slightly faster in some ways useful to perform in a class room.

This could give women a head start and very well lead to them on average performing better in work life, until they are forced to choose between careers and families while they partners continue to advance their careers at full speed not worrying about being pregnant.

But that's a different discussion. We should avoid biases in hiring because biases suck and make for an unjust society. And we should stop pretending language models make intelligent considerations about anything.

What's fascinating here is that LLMs trained on the texts we produce create the opposite bias of what we observe in society, where men tend to get preferential treatment. My guess is that this is a consequence of inclusive language. In my writibg, whenever women are under-represented, I make a point out of defaulting to she and her rather than her and him. I know others do the same. I imagine this could feed into LLMs. Whatever it is that causes this, it sure as fuck isn't anything actually intelligent.

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catty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

At least where I’m from it’s pretty well known that girls outperform boys in school, probably because their brains develop slightly faster in some ways useful to perform in a class room.

At least where I’m from, it’s pretty well know that the education system is better suited to girls than boys, probably because it needs a reform.

This could give women a head start and very well lead to them on average performing better in work life, until they are forced to choose between careers and families while they partners continue to advance their careers at full speed not worrying about being pregnant.

To paraphrase: women can get pregnant and can’t work. It’s the man’s fault. It isn’t the extreme and aggressive pandering to feminism that gives women a “head start”, but because they’re better educated.

we should stop pretending language models make intelligent considerations about anything. LLMs trained on the texts we produce create the opposite bias of what we observe in society

So you’re stating that LLMs are making dumb decisions by recommending women over men. Lol

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- cabbage@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  At least where I'm from, it's pretty well know that the education system is better suited to girls than boys, probably because it needs a reform
  
  I didn't say it doesn't, clearly there's a problem when half the population is systematically favoured.
  
  To paraphrase: women can get pregnant and can't work and it's the man's fault
  
  Where the fuck did I say that it's the man's fault? It's a societal problem, doesn't mean it's anybody's fault.
  
  What I observe in society are a huge increase in the amount of advertising aimed at women with a feminist message because women are being programmed to flock to such messages
  
  I'm the first to criticize corporate feminism (just like greenwashing and pride washing), but I suspect feminist messaging appeals to women because they are sick of the patriarchy, not because they are programmed by marketing agencies. The fuck are you on about.
  
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  - catty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    I think you’re right that the messaging of companies trying to appear feminist in their communications while nevertheless usually being run almost exclusively by men is a huge part of the source material that produces the bias here. I
    
    Lol, again, it’s the men’s fault.
    
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    cabbage@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It's not men against women, it's people against billionaires.
    
    It's not the fact that these people are men that I take issue with, it's that they are hypocrites trying to capitalize of feminist sentiments without making any actual effort towards real change.
    
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