Comment on Without the precursor of Spirituality and Religion, there can be no morality.

• Z3k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Morality is just a word we give to our personal rules to live by thes begin in groups

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  • Arkouda@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Morality is a word given to a specific idea, i.e. a universal set of rules for “Good” and “Bad” that are believed to be undeniable, and is different from “rules” or “laws” prescribed to live cohesively.

    If we agree not to murder each other to the benefit of the group, we are not saying we won’t kill each other if it no longer benefits the group. If we agree that murder is inherently wrong, we are saying that we won’t kill each other even if it does benefit the group.

    Morality requires more than simply agreeing to not do something. Simply abiding by a rule in animals is called “premoral behavior”, which assumes they are not acting with morality but the precursor to it. Much like we would have before developing those basic “rules” into a morality that has been historically done through spirituality.

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    • Z3k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      So explain slavery. That was once morraly good. Hell, some still do.

      There is no such thing that is universally good ot bad. If it were it would apply universally not just to the ingrown.

      We are seeing it all over thr world in real time. Murder should be a universally condemned act yet we see “moral” people screaming for the death of people they deemed unworthy every day

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      • Arkouda@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        So explain slavery. That was once morraly good. Hell, some still do.

        What is there to explain? We aren’t the only species on the planet who take slaves.

        There is no such thing that is universally good ot bad. If it were it would apply universally not just to the ingrown.

        I know. Hasn’t stopped our species from fighting about it. Which is why my point is something “Bigger than humans” was required to unify our species beyond small groups who agree with one another.

        We are seeing it all over thr world in real time. Murder should be a universally condemned act yet we see “moral” people screaming for the death of people they deemed unworthy every day

        I know. Doesn’t change my point.

        I am not arguing that “morality” is a universal inherent thing. In fact, I am arguing that it is not universal, not inherent, and you are supporting my point which is that Spirituality and Religion preclude Morality because “morality” is not universal and “something bigger than our species” was required to move beyond family sized units.

        That does not mean it worked and we now live in a morally sound utopia.

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