Comment on Without the precursor of Spirituality and Religion, there can be no morality.

• Arkouda@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  When did you learn that hurting was wrong and who taught you?

  How many people do you know, or have known, who disagree that violence is wrong?

  We require our “morality” to be taught. You didn’t come to your idea of morality alone, and all evidence suggests that humans have had spiritual beliefs throughout our species existence, and unified spiritual belief seems to be a requirement for a stable, spreadable, and consistent “moral code” that can be taught to everyone.

  Even our relatives that we can observe have “premoral behaviours”, which we would have needed to form our “morality”, yet they do not have a consistent “moral” code across the entire species.

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  • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    When did you learn that hurting was wrong and who taught you?

    The first time something hurt me and I didn’t like it.

    My human, inherent empathy then led me to the conclusion that I don’t want other people to be hurt needlessly. Yes, empathy is indeed inherent and has evolutionary roots. I absolutely can’t explain that entire framework here, you could read The Selfish Gene for example.

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    • Arkouda@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yes I am sure the first time you were hurt as a baby, before conscious thought even kicked in, you suddenly knew what was “morally correct”.

      There is no such thing as “inherent” traits. If that were true no human would hurt another human because we all would be coded not to do that and wouldn’t need someone to tell you what is wrong and right.

      If all evidence suggests that groups of humans have all had a spiritual belief structure I think it is safe to assume that as a requirement for a consistent, and easy to communicate “moral code”.

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      • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yes I am sure the first time you were hurt as a baby, before conscious thought even kicked in, you suddenly knew what was “morally correct”.

        I dud not say that.

        There is no such thing as “inherent” traits. If that were true no human would hurt another human because we all would be coded not to do that and wouldn’t need someone to tell you what is wrong and right.

        There are, believe it or not, more things besides empathy that determine human behaviour. Weird, complicated creatures.

        If all evidence suggests that groups of humans have all had a spiritual belief structure I think it is safe to assume that as a requirement for a consistent, and easy to communicate “moral code”.

        That just means humans akso have an inherent wish to understand and explain things, even when they don’t have the necessary means yet.

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