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And I’m saying that arguing over the validity of “claims to be Christian” is irrelevant to anyone but fundamentalists.

This is what I meant with the part about how you could change your religion in the conversation to be literally whatever and the conversation would still be exactly the same. So clearly you don’t even know the tenets or sacraments or anything about Christianity, so why would you identify as one?

Social pressure from which side? Taking this thread as a sample, it seems that the only ones that care about “claims of being Christian” are the extremists.

We don’t know each other in any social context. Me using logic here is not “social pressure”. Your grandma being pissed at you if you had to point to her what a whackadoodle you need to be to profess belief in the Bible is social pressure.

Did I mock my grandma for her religion or criticise Christianity to her? Of course fucking not, I loved her. But this is a literal thread asking about religion, and I’m pointing out the hypocrisy, which I think isn’t wrong for this thread.

I’m asking pretty simple questions and not saying what people should do or believe in.

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rglullis@communick.news ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

This is what I meant with the part about how you could change your religion in the conversation to be literally whatever and the conversation would still be exactly the same.

Really? As an exercise, imagine you are a gay man and you went to talk about it with a priest. Now imagine the same gay man going to talk about it with an Imam. How do you think these conversations would go?

Take your best shot, give both of them the most charitable/noble representation of their respective values. Do you really think that we would get the same outcomes?

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- Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  As an exercise, imagine you are a gay man and you went to talk about it with a priest. Now imagine the same gay man going to talk about it with an Imam. How do you think these conversations would go?
  
  Both would work quite well in Finland.
  
  In Iran or the US, theocracies, they wouldn’t work either.
  
  You know that monotheism is exclusive and hates differences. Yet you’re too fucking scared to call them out on what they are, because the Mary-Sues and Josephs at your local bible-camp wouldn’t like it.
  
  Monotheism is absolute cancer which hates everything different.
  
  Anyone who’s read basics of history and theology knows that
  
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  Back in polytheistic societies like Norway and Greece etc, people were far more progressive than comparative monotheist societies.
  
  Yet you defending Christianity. It’s ridiculous. You don’t know anything and you don’t follow any tenets. So you don’t actually believe in the 10 commandments. Who the fuck does?
  
  Yet you’re too scared to call it the BS it is. You can still enjoy community without claiming to be a Christian. Perhaps in America you can’t…?
  
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  - rglullis@communick.news ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    You can still enjoy community without claiming to be a Christian. Perhaps in America you can’t…?
    
    I’m born and raised in Brazil. Lived in the US from 2008 to 2013. Now I’m living in Germany - more specifically, in Berlin.
    
    In the US, I had some family and friends. In Germany I was all on my own, so I’ve tried getting integrated. I went out to meet different people. I wasn’t just stuck in my room all day long. The friends that I did do turned out to be invariably Italians, Polish, Israelis, Spaniards. The best I could say about the people from Nordic backgrounds were “they are my acquaintance”. Dating in Berlin was weird - much similar to New York - where I’d never know if I was just getting myself into some mindless hook-up or a detailed plan establishing the contract terms of the relationship.
    
    I was in 3 years already in Berlin and I was seriously considering moving out, when I’ve met a (Greek) woman who I am so very lucky to be able to call “my wife”. She had moved to Berlin just one year before me, and though she had a much larger social circle than mine, they were also mostly of other Greeks. When we started dating, her group of friends didn’t see me as an attachment to her friend. They took me in as part of the group. I’ve became friends with them as well, we would go play ball or hang out even if my then-girlfriend couldn’t make that one night.
    
    All of this to say: you are getting at this backwards. I’m not saying that I went to the religion to get “accepted” by peers. What I am saying is that even when I was surrounded by people, they were pretty much all of them completely atomized individuals. This feeling only changed when I found myself closer to people with other cultures who still have a higher attachment to their cultural roots.
    
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    Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I don’t care for your personal history, it had absolutely nothing to do with Christianity, which is the topic of the thread.
    
    Monotheism is bad and religious people, monotheists especially, are usually dragged into progressive values despite their resistance to them.
    
    It’s beyond insane how much of the world you’re having to ignore just to keep identifying as a Christian despite not believing in single tenet of the religion.
    
    So I remind you of the argument I said before; it genuinely wouldn’t make any rhetorical difference what religion you changed into this conversation for Christianity. You ask whether Christianity is compatible with being trans, but then you refuse to say what notion of being Christian is.
    
    So I’m to just take it that you just like to think your Christian, despite deriving all your personal moral from the world, like people do?
    
    You can’t name what these “Christian values” are that you’re asking about. Yet you insist that you have them.
    
    Wtf?
    
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