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TinyPizza@kbin.social 1 year agoI sure did hear a lot of neo-lib politicians in my area saying that same thing when there was a push for Medicare For All. "It's confusing and nobody knows what it means" is what some centrist dem congress people kept saying where I'm from. A few years on, now that the steam has been tapped and those same politicians are putting "healthcare for all" in their literature. The co-option against progressive policy is coming from inside the party and old railway Joe (not a progressive) outlawed a strike for... the railway workers.
Also, not seeing this abandoning of labor to focus on race you speak of. People flooding the streets over police murdering POC isn't a political maneuver. Could you lay out where your seeing this focus on race and not labor from progressives?
DarthBueller@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not talking about Biden, I’m talking about progressives. I am not talking about people protesting racist corrupt murderous pigs. Literally every progressive I know is using race as the primary critical lens they use for seeing the world. Folks give lip-service to instersectionality, but for the life of me, the discourse is being defined by the right. The right acts racist and persecutes LGBTQI+ folks, so those issues end up taking up all of the air in the room to the expense of everything else. A couple of years ago, I was at a social justice exchange in a poor white area, and the subject was food deserts in the area. I got shut down because I was steadfast in asserting that the reason that there were food deserts in the area had next to nothing to do with race, and everything to do with economic inequality and rural underinvestment.
TinyPizza@kbin.social 1 year ago
Oh, I guess I'm just not hearing those same things where I'm at. Are these progressives POC?
DarthBueller@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m in the mid-South. The two leaders were, most everyone else was white. But honestly, it wouldn’t have made a difference. When you’ve got white supremacist groups arguing for socialism (for white people), and progressives arguing for preferential treatment for POC to the extreme that it comes off as punitive to a majority of non-POC folks, sure seems like a centrist position is social protections and support for poor people, regardless of race.
TinyPizza@kbin.social 1 year ago
TLDR; if we don't work toward solutions to racial justice before socioeconomic justice, the power and capital likely won't exist to follow through with the former
So, I can't say for sure but what I think you've ran into is something that I heard best explained by a podcast once (I think it was one of Robert Evans). My guess is that what you encountered was organizers trying to take account for the systematic imbalance of power that is inherent within the US. Often times it goes unseen by many of us that can't see it because it doesn't effect us in the same way. We can see those problems of poverty and lack of support but then what about the added struggle of race, gender, disability? Those things added on top create deeper and different issues that we can't account for, because we can't know them. It's the argument that to rid society of these myriad issues we must take the privilege we have and can't see and use it to back POC to fight the problems that they see.
I think I know where you're coming from now, and though I've been in spaces where that happened, I've never seen issue in it because I believe in the premise. I've known multiple persons who did run into situations and feel like their views or voice were being marginalized from it though. I wasn't there for their experience but I mostly think it was a misunderstanding on their part though and they couldn't move past their ideas being of less importance/priority. I think this can play out in ways that can be counterproductive from time to time, but also that set backs that come from it are eventually learned from and worthwhile.
It's hard knowing how you want to organize and feeling like the roadmap is right in front if we could just come together and focus a part of the problem. There's a risk that we still leave others behind though if we don't address their issues before our own. People and movements lose interest once their needs and goals are met and if we want to pull off the big move forward we have to do it all together.
Am I closer to talking about what you were now?