Comment on What do you think the solution to selling progressive politics to young men is ?

• MolochAlter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This makes me wonder why I’ve never heard this perspective before?

  Well, I am not a progressive, for one. I agree with some principles but I disagree fundamentally on what a world that fulfills those principles looks like, so I can sympathise with the members of the movement but I find them misguided at best and actively hostile to my other principles at worst.

  In fact, I know I proposed some ideas antithetical to some (IMO wrong) dogmas of the progressive movement, such as doing away with the politeness nuclar standoff, the tone policing, etc, not only because they’re actively hobbling the movement and making it politically irrelevant, though they are, but because they are things I find fundamentally detrimental to society at large if they were to ever become more mainstream than they already were until the recent fall out of favour of progressivism in the american zeitgeist. (And when america gets a cold the rest of the world starts sneezing)

  I wonder if people say this in mostly conservative forums, and I just don’t see it from my personal fish bowl?

  Perhaps, I wouldn’t know. I’m just a European liberal who has to sit on the sidelines and quietly hate american politics for polluting the rest of the world with its fumes, tilting the scales in favour of the far right as a backswing to a “far left” political climate that literally never materialised in our own countries just because your progressive movement’s optics are bad enough to be fucking radioactive.

  It’s almost as if it would have been useful for this position to be expressed earlier to educate people before all the frustration occurred.

  We tried to tell you and were called every single name under the sun.

  Hell, I got told in this very thread that I want to create spaces hostile to women, by some coward who then deleted all their posts in response to me asking for a clarification as to why.

  American liberals, do yourselves a favour and cut out the progressive activist tumor from your political sphere, let the far left deal with them, and just actually stick to your principles, if you still have any that aren’t entirely based on reflexively doing the opposite of what the right says.

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