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• Genius@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Most communists didn’t use farming as their primary food production. A majority were hunter gatherer societies. Agricultural nations like Catalonia are the exception.

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  • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And yet over here it is exactly what happened. So we have 3 years during a civil war, and 60 years of a failed state.

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    • Deme@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Huh. It’s almost as if all the various alternatives to capitalism couldn’t be lumped into one… Revolutionary Catalonia was Anarcho-Syndicalist, so about as far from the soviet system as possible.

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    • Genius@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t believe your country was ever under communism in the last two thousand years. I think you’re actually from a former USSR state. Not even Stalin ever dared to claim that the USSR had achieved communism, and he was an arrogant git who would have said it if he’d had a shred of evidence.

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      • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No true scotsman fallacy. I could say that no country was under ideal capitalism so you can’t criticize it either. You have to look at reality, not make believe nations that never existed.

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• squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The same is true for capitalism too, though.

  If you work in your own little company or if you are self-employed, then the “mission” of your work might be important to you and a source of motivation.

  But if you work in a huge corporation, hardly anything you do actually matters. If don’t perform at 100% and instead slack off, there are other people doing the same work. And if everyone slacks off, then they just hire more people. And even if the whole department underperforms, there are other departments that rake in the money.

  And whether the company thrives or goes under, your input as a lowly grunt wouldn’t have made a difference anyway. Even as a mid-level manager your input wouldn’t have made a difference.

  Years of my work at my job can be wiped out with one email from the CEO.

  Literally the only difference between capitalism and communism when it comes to that is whether the CEO wipes out my work or the state.

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  • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But if a CEO does something that actually destroys the company (without question) the governance structure that most companies in most countries have will put a halt to it. If the company is of size to have an actual CEO than they will have a need for a governance structure.

    The sad part is that due to whatever reason it doesn’t always work like that.

    Heck somebody once told me that in the US you can just fire people for whatever, which is insane to me

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    • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Governance structures aren’t without fail either, as exemplified with quite a few big corporations going down over time.

      Governance structures are also present in political systems, and also there they can fail.

      A government and a corporation are really not all that dissimilar when it comes to managing work, projects and so on.

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      • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah that was also my reason to say that it doesn’t always work like that.

        People also defend companies or system that lack transparancy, things like not publishing annual reports etc

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  • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And yet people work in huge corporations and those are succeeding fine. Yet the collective farms that I mention led to famines and underperformed severely.

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    • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Huge corporations also underperform compared to smaller startups.

      If a small startup wants to roll out some new thing they just get to the work. If a corporation does the same thing it first takes a year of preparation and internal politics.

      Remember the old anecdote about how long it takes to order an empty cardboard box at IBM? That one was an extreme example, but the concept persists.

      We had a project, created by two people over half a year. The corporate parent liked it and wanted to expand the product to all the country division. So they planned for a year, then assembled 8 teams with a total of 50 people to copy that project with a planned development time of 3 years. They overran the deadline by 2 years.

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      • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Cool. Yet you are ignoring the very tiny fact that collective farms started famines. They didn’t “just underperform”.

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