The intersection between Authoritarianism and Socialism:
Comment on Socialism is the actual teaching of Jesus
Meltdown@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
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1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Socialism (not social democracy) tends to go that way 😅
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The fact you can so boldly miss the entire point of social -ism is hilarious and sad.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t miss the point, I just point out the empiric results (debate me on that if you want to, I don’t know everything). I don’t even express any feelings pro/con socialism in my post, at all.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A label hijacked by conmen is not an accurate representation of what something is supposed to actually be.
DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Jesus Christ believes himself to be the Jewish Messiah. The man literally was going to be king of Israel after kicking the Romans out of their land. So like… Yeah. He was also an authoritarian.
plyth@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
citation needed
DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3…
Matthew 16:13-20 NRSV
But Jesus was silent. Then the high priest said to him, “I put you under oath before the living God, tell us if you are the Messiah,[k] the Son of God.” 64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you,
From now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has blasphemed! Why do we still need witnesses? You have now heard his blasphemy. 66 What do you think?” They answered, “He deserves death.” 67 Then they spat in his face and struck him, and some slapped him, 68 saying, “Prophesy to us, you Messiah![l] Who is it that struck you?”
From the NSRV, one of the preferred standards of Biblical scholars. A few places where Christ, if not outright says, heavily implies he is the Messiah, which is the reason the Jewish leaders wanted him put to the death.
I do not have access to the full article to give, but Bart Erhman also goes over some of these points in the free point of this article: ehrmanblog.org/jesus-claim-to-be-the-messiah/
Of most interest to my point is this bit:
There is also this summary from Wikipedia regarding a King Messiah, which is the one I believe most Christians believe Christ was laying claim to:
The link is here if you would like to see the sources : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_in_Judaism
In general, we can also see in both Jewish and Christian scripture that a Messiah was a figure that would rise up and deliver the Jewish people from their oppressors. Depending on your religion (or lack there of) and theology, the expectations vary. Earlier in Judaism it could be anybody who freed the Jews such as Cyrus.
However, as time went on, the Messiah became a cosmic figure who would not only restore Israel’s independence, but would also destroy God’s enemies, rally the Jewish people from across the world, establish the Kingdom of God here on earth as a real, physical, political entity, and rule like a king as God’s emmisarry here on earth.
There’s nothing about this that isn’t authoritarian, it just so happens to be benevolent.
There is also far, far more to this topic with many different views ans takes to it because both Christianity and Judaism have a stake in it, and neither of these religions are monolithic. Judaism, specifically being absolutely ancient and having transformed significantly since its earliest records while the beliefs itself predate even the earliest written records. So of course, this is not the only lens with which to view it, but this is the most likely role that Jesus Christ was attempting to fill, the claim that got him killed, and the role most Christians believe he will finish when he returns.
plyth@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I was wondering when he drove out the Romans. This reply must be meant for another comment.