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I just love western logic that decries killing civilians as terrorism when one side does it, but rationalizes the the same act when the other side does it in an efficient, mechanized way with orders of magnitude more death and destruction.

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outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
We’re below the fold here. There are no undecideds looking, just people with hearts and one insane or well paid antisemitic-as-fuck protocols larp fanboy.

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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s like how there’s between someone being killed in an accident and someone being murdered. Intent is a factor.

If you target civilians and kill civilians with the goal to terrorize a population, then you’re terrorist. If you target a military asset with the goal to defeat an enemy fighting force then you’re taking a military action even if you accidentally kill civilians.

And no, wars are not supposed to fair. It’s not a sport with rules and referees to make sure everything is fair both sides. This is real life not a Call of Duty game. If you’re fighting against a superior military force you’re not being brave, you’re just getting a lot of people killed for nothing.

Non-violent resistance has a higher probability of success and fewer people die even if it fails. That’s the path to a Palestinian state the violence of Hamas has been a complete failure. That should be obvious.

Nothing Hamas has done has improved anything for Palestinians. They just killed a lot of people and got Gaza destroyed.

Terrorists are bad.

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- xenomor@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is the part where genocidal freaks, like yourself, claim that Israel, and the US, don’t target civilians. Got it.
  
  I also love it when the people with all the power proclaim the wonders and efficacy of peaceful resistance. How convenient for the entrenched power. I’m tempted to call out the origin of the United States, which was violent resistance to an oppressive regime. Funny how we find that story inspiring, but deride anybody else’s struggle to be escape our own oppression.
  
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  - SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    When you look at Gaza does that indicate that violent resistance is super successful?
    
    You’ve been reading too much stochastic terrorism stuff.
    
    I’m tempted to call out the origin of the United States, which was violent resistance to an oppressive regime.
    
    You mean that time some slave masters wrote some pretty words about freedom and equality and absolutely nothing changed for the slaves they owned?
    
    I have some ancestors that had to flee political persecution during the American Revolution. When they said they tarred and feathered the “traitors” do you buy that bullshit? The slave masters that founded the United States eliminated political dissent using public torture. Oppressors always label any dissenters to be traitors. Donald Trump does this too.
    
    You were indoctrinated into believing a fairy tale about the foundation of your country so you’d worship “founding father” the same way they worship “big brother” in 1984. The American Revolution changed who had power, it didn’t change anything about the lives of regular people, and certainly didn’t improve anything for the slaves.
    
    I’m from Canada and the founding principle of my country was “we have to work together or the Americans will invade us.” We have more rights than Americans Do you want to guess how many revolutions and civil wars we had to get to where we are?
    
    Most people couldn’t vote in America for much of it’s history. Tell me which revolution resulted in women having the right to vote in America? What revolution ended segregation?
    
    Stochastic terrorists have told you a narrative that violence always works and non-violence always fails. History isn’t on your side unless you read it from the point of view of wealthy land owning slave masters. If your goal is to increase rights and freedoms, non-violence is more effective. If your goal is to get power so you can oppress people then sure, I guess violence works for that.
    
    You are aware Hamas tortures people to death if they speak out against them, right? I guess you just want to always side with the oppressive assholes of history that use violence to gain power.
    
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    xenomor@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Oh, I forgot about the time that nonviolent protest ended slavery in the US. Sorry ‘bout that.
    
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  - outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s not a person. It can’t be reasoned with.
    
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- outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  terrorists are bad
  
  So you agree the place the protocols LARPers live should be returned to the Hamas people?
  
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  - SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The way you apply labels to people to dehumanize them makes it difficult for me to understand what you’re even asking. Like do you call all Palestinians “Hamas people”?
    
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    outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Only when im talking to a protocols larper. That’s what you guys always seem to call them.
    
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