Comment on Why is the manosphere on the rise? UN Women sounds the alarm over online misogyny

catty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• nichtsowichtig@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  people who face systemic discrimmination often strive to create environments that are safe and respectful for their own group. They don’t do that because they want to be exclusive, but because they don’t have the power to make the spaces they are in respectful and accomodating for them.

  So if we have the intention to create inclusive spaces and we have the power to do so, then we shouldn’t go after the ones who segregate themselves to avoid discrimmination, but instead we should change our own environments so that they don’t feel the need anymore to have their own space.

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  • catty@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    we should change our own environments so that they don’t feel the need anymore to have their own space.

    “we” unequivocally means “men”, right? And how is this done… by preventing exclusive communities and only have inclusive communities. “Online” and “safe spaces” are oxymorons.

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    • nichtsowichtig@feddit.org ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      by “we” I mean everyone who has the ability to do so.

      And how is this done… by preventing exclusive communities and only have inclusive communities.

      you cannot just claim a community is inclusive. When members in it don’t feel comfortable, then it is not inclusive for them.

      We just have to let people who constantly suffer any sort of discrimination have their own space. When they feel welcome outside of it they’ll feel less need to be in their own “exclusive” space. Blaming them for segregating themselves is thinking of it the wrong way.

      “Online” and “safe spaces” are oxymorons.

      I don’t think they are. The fediverse is a great tool for it. There are servers that have the intention to offer a safe environment for certain identities.

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      • catty@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        you cannot just claim a community is inclusive. When members in it don’t feel comfortable, then it is not inclusive for them.

        Of course it’s possible. If they don’t feel comfortable, then more questions need to be asked as to why they the individual do not and nothing will change until the focus is on individual feelings of those who <feel> marginalised so then inclusive communities can be fostered to work together, and not manipulating the world to pander to those who feel marginalised using anger, derision, and hatred. This leads to better inclusivity, better understanding, which in turn allows for better rules/systems to develop. They can not be fostered by force/anger/because we say so’s.

        constantly suffer any sort of discimination

        But they don’t. They may <feel> they do due to some mental illness, manipulation by e.g. exclusionary women-only groups that breed hatred of a target etc, but they don’t “suffer” constantly. That’s just polluted rhetoric in the Western world.

        Exclusive communities don’t “help” those people who think they’re discriminated against to become inclusive, they only strengthen the isolation and strengthen the hatred against those they feel discriminated by.

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  • gcheliotis@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Very well said. I wish I could articulate this as well as you have here.

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    • nichtsowichtig@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      thank you!

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