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Comment on Why is the manosphere on the rise? UN Women sounds the alarm over online misogyny

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

No, this is a misrepresentation of my argument.

From the 70’s to a few months ago, governments have made it a fundamental priority to elevate women and minorities, and it’s worked. (Go look at the demographics of college enrollment, at least here in the US, if you don’t believe me.)

I’m arguing that to fix misogyny you have to fix the fundamental economic crises affecting young people.

But I appreciate that you were very quick to demonstrate the point I made about the fashionability of blaming young men and pretending these problems simply don’t exist.

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TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

From the 70’s to a few months ago, governments have made it a fundamental priority to elevate women and minorities, and it’s worked. (Go look at the demographics of college enrollment, at least here in the US, if you don’t believe me.)

And when exactly did those college enrollment demographics change? Oh yeah, the moment college degrees became worthless. White men are choosing not to go to college, they aren’t being forced, were not running out of colleges.

I’m arguing that to fix misogyny you have to fix the fundamental economic crises affecting young people

Well, you’re not just saying that… If we were to say start a program to fix the economic crisis that is effecting the youth, how would you go about doing that? Oh by targeting the most disadvantaged demographics…oh no, that would be…DEI.

blaming young men and pretending these problems simply don’t exist.

You are the one pretending as if this was only a problem for young white men. You’re just taking your licks for the first time and being a baby about it.

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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Way to misrepresent my argument. Thanks for the downvotes without trying to have a discussion.

My opinion is that society in general has elevated men above others. That is still mostly true, from entertainment to employment. Yes, there is no argument that there has been effort, more or less to offer others some of the same benefits men get, but it’s still token in many ways.

Now pay attention, I said society, I did not blame men for this (though they had a hand by aiding and abetting the status quo), there’s an huge cultural momentum behind male over-representation.

As far as the economy, a nebulous “we need to fix it” is gesturing nebulously at an economy that effects everyone, but it’s hard to take you seriously when you only discuss the economy needing to be fixed in the context dealing only with young men.

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- TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I can’t believe how much shit you are getting while having perfectly valid and rational claims. The fact this fucking chode is claiming your being reactionary while he froths at the mouth with accusations nof misandry is making me feel insane.
  
  You are being too kind, but I will use the privilege reserved for middle aged man to fucking yell at emotional little boys throwing tantrums.
  
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  - RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Surrounded by incels, I guess.
    
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    SpaceShort@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No one even brought up sex or dating. The logical jump to incels here is baffling.
    
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    TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah… I didn’t think the culture was as ubiquitous. Kinda scary to see on a platform with so many self professed “leftist”. You can’t seriously think you are on the left when you only care about providing for your specific demographic.
    
    The kids are not alright apparently.
    
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- FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Respectfully, your hostile and reactionary tone demonstrated quite well that you had no intention of discussing things in a rational manner. You toss around terms like ‘redpill’ like they’re Halloween candy, and it demonstrates that even having the discussion is enough to set off your temper. I even gave you an example of the imbalance in economic opportunity favoring women and minorities, and you just ignored it.
  
  And that’s fine.
  
  Be angry, but the least you could do is try to be productive.
  
  The problem is the systemic impoverishment of young men is the root cause of all this, and that is what needs to be fixed if you want to fix misogyny.
  
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  - RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Again failure to discuss the substance of the argument and just making it personal. It’s crystal clear what your objectives are here.
    
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  - TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In nearly every society on earth, since the beginning of recorded history… Men have achieved nearly a totalitarian monopoly in nearly every hierarchy of power.
    
    Even today, what gender are the majority of ceo, the congressmen, the senator, the judges, prosecutors, and the police? Examine the leadership of nearly any hierarchical body of control and the majority of these positions are men… So what power is attacking men, what industry, what laws…If it’s men attacking young men…then it’s not a gender issue, it’s a class issue you fucking children.
    
    problem is the systemic impoverishment of young men is the root cause of all this, and that is what needs to be fixed if you want to fix misogyny.
    
    You are using misogyny as a negotiation tactic? “Guess will just have to let bad things happen to you until boys get their treats again…”
    
    What a fucking loser. Can’t cope with not getting insta middle class for nothing so they become a reactionary chode… Real great class solidarity bro.
    
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