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grue@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

The difference is that, typically, the lack of women in male-dominated fields is due to them being actively pushed away from things they want to do, while the lack of men in female-dominated fields is due to those fields being less prestigious/well-paid (often due to being traditionally female) and them not wanting to pick them in the first place. But when they do decide to enter those fields, nobody’s actively trying to stop/discourage them.

Superficially there may seem to be similarities in circumstance, but the amount of agency men and women have to enter opposite-gender-dominated careers is vastly different.

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calcopiritus@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
And how are women pushed out of “man jobs”?

And how are we fixing that?

Is it bosses that aim to have male coworkers turning down women? How is that different than bosses wanting artificially 50/50 turning down men?

Is it not being represented in advertising? How is that different than what happens now. Where most advertising displays just women? Or if there is both a man and a woman, the woman is usually centered in the picture or doing a more important/powerful role.

By “encouraging” women in the workplace, what you see is things being done to men that you complain was done to women.

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Fedditor385@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Better paid jobs are usually more risky, competitive and harsh with short deadlines, that why the are paid more than jobs where you can just do your shift and happily go home like daycare or teaching. It happens that men simply naturally want the adrenaline and excitement that comes with the first because they want to prove themselves.

If you look into history, men where those that went hunting which can be dangerous, while women were those who collected berries and nursed children, not much danger there.

As a man, I actually thing women are crazy for not wanting to keep being a houswife a thing. It’s like being the CEO of the house. WFH guaranteed, you are the one making plans and deadlines, minimal stress, and you have probably enough spare time to do whatever you want as a hobby on the side (unless you have small children). I truly don’t see the downside, I would thrive in home improvement and gardening…

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- SpaceShort@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The extreme depression and anxiety exhibited by women in the 1950s contradicts your claim.
  
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  - Fedditor385@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    True, if we are talking as if today was 1950 and the socioeconomic situation were the same. But it’s not. There’s almost 80 years of progress and the socioeconomic situation is not even comparable. So, although true it was a problem 80 years ago, its a bit shortsigthed to claim same applies today.
    
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    SpaceShort@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The 1950s was when women were relegated to the role of housewife. You are asking why women don’t want to be relegated to that role.
    
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sudneo@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There are 2 issues here that are being mixed.

One is women not being allowed to positions of power. The other is with women being underrepresented in certain fields (e.g., stem).

The second issue is what I am talking about and I don’t think at all that men “choose” not to try certain careers in the same way women don’t “choose” not to study stem and pursue stem careers. For both, social pressure and expectations, an existing field dominated by the other sex with all its implications are factors of discrimination. Strict gender roles are damaging for both men and women, and this is a perfect example.

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- grue@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  There are 2 issues here that are being mixed.
  
  One is women not being allowed to positions of power. The other is with women being underrepresented in certain fields (e.g., stem).
  
  I think it’s fair to mix them, to an extent, because I think the degree of underrepresentation is often directly proportional to the prestige/pay/power of the field. Both are symptoms of the same underlying issue, which is bigots discounting women’s competency and refusing to entrust them with things of importance.
  
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  - Fedditor385@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    But, whats the difference from a male that also wants to get to the same position, and is also not entrusted with the thing of importance? I see plenty of this scenarios play on a daily basis by males who want to get on top but are blocked by fellow males. Its the same situation, why would we need to provide help for the women but not for the men? Would you say that properly competent person would overcome this issue, regardless of their gender?
    
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ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s the same in female fields, it’s not just prestige. Men face increased scrutiny when working with children. Male nurses are expected to perform the more physical parts of the job almost exclusively.

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