Comment on It's interesting that gun rights were sold on the basis of "resisting unlawful government." They seen to have caused unlawful government.

Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• breecher@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They are tools designed with the singular purpose of killing.

  Ignoring that fact is incredibly disingenous.

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• starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Only you don’t accidentally beat someone to death with a hammer.

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  • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You don’t accidentally shoot anyone either, it’s negligence.

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    • shplane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Let’s not get tied up in semantics but the idea that you can’t “accidentally” shoot someone is nonsense. Whether you call it negligence or not, if it’s not on purpose, then it’s an accident.

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      • breecher@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They subscribe to the NRA falsehood about “guns don’t kill people etc.”. Such people are usually lost causes.

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      • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Accident isn’t a harsh enough word.

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      In the US a gun is more likely to kill the owner or their family than anyone else.

      I’m fairly sure ethe vast majority of those are accidental.

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      • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Well you’d be wrong, overwhelmingly the majority of those are suicides, followed by intentional homicides, and lastly negligence (you can try and remove the negligent party’s guilt by calling them accidents all you want, but the “accident” occurs through blatant negligence every time.)

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  • lemming741@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s a lot faster to do it with a car

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  • chonkyninja@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Speak for yourself.

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• LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Sure but I don’t see how people can think certain bans should exist and not others. Sawn off shotguns have been banned for as long as I’ve ever known, yet people don’t question it. The reasoning is they could be dangerous to others on accident. Yet if you take any round .223 with a fmj (cheapest format to buy) it’s going straight through your wall, and through the entire apartment across the hall. So when you fire 3 shots towards the door they are trying to go through, most people with adrenaline or freaking out enough to think a gun is necessary at that point in time, 2 of those rounds are going into the next residence. Even the 1 that hits the person very well might go straight through.

  Guy stacked sheet rock up in a row and they went through .223 - 17 .308 - 20 30-06 - 23

  Granted with gaps between them the wobble will make it more like 3-4… so anyone in the living room/dining room or if the bedroom is towards the wall facing the hall… Is possibly getting a hunk of lead in them.

  Hollow points almost make more sense there, as hopefully they’d split on the first sheet rock and the smaller shards may get stuck in the second, if not hopefully not have enough momentum to penetrate a person after if their lucky.

  Should they ban those rifles, in my opinion no, but I think if you use one for home defense and fire a round that penetrates into another person’s residence, you should get an attempted murder charge for being irresponsible. It isn’t a moose coming in the front door. For people who believe they need home defense a 9mm hollow point will save money, be easier to navigate in close quarters and dump all the energy into stopping the person instead of going out their back. (Unfortunately for them, much more organ damage, and high chances of death). (Personally I think most should use revolvers anyways if they aren’t using it often, because 20 years from now even if it hasn’t been cleaned, it’s more than likely going to do exactly what you want it to do… while a semi automatic spring loaded contraption, may jam)

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  • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Lots of FUDD here.

    Over pen is going to happen on pretty much any round period. Slower rounds with larger mass will go through more usually in real life situations. The drywall videos are ok, but the issue with them is that they don’t show the other shit in the walls. Wires/firestops/insulation/studs. Exterior walls might have brick or stucco with tile. Doesn’t matter the round, you’re going to have over pen. Shoot a deer slug at a 2x4 stud and drywall, vs a 223/556 round…deer slug is winning every time.

    Second, a AR pattern rifle is much, much easier to get on target and shoot for pretty much anyone compared to a shotgun or handgun.

    Secondly people do call out the absolute bullshit rules of from the ATF and NFA. A shorter barrel doesn’t magically make a firearm more deadly, just like a suppressor doesn’t magically make a firearm silent. FUDD shit.

    Lastly, a revolver is trash for defense, there is a reason pretty much every branch of LE or military has swapped to semi-auto mag fed handguns. They are easier to shoot, more accurate, hold more rounds, easier to reload, etc. On top of all this, you shouldn’t be loading something and tossing it in a drawer until you need it. You should be practicing with it at minimum monthly.

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  • figjam@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I encourage people to educate themselves on guns and what type and size gun is appropriate for what they want to do.

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