Comment on What do you think the solution to selling progressive politics to young men is ?
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks agoIf they wanted to address the education gap, wouldn’t they? Why would they want to when trades provide more money, no lost income for 4-5 years, or a crippling debt? Women are at a disadvantage there. I mean, I definitely don’t want to minimize overlooked hardships, but…
disconsented@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
You’re paying with your body, the work can be very dangerous, and it takes a while to ramp up to decent pay. On top of that the pay isn’t always going to be better than a degree (iirc research has concluded that lifetime earnings for trades are behind degrees), ignoring countries with sensible tertiary education options.
Trades are not equivalent. And education is still a significant indicator of political alignment.
Honestly, this is a great example of the empathy gap.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What research? There are lots of folks with crippling debts. I know tons of people who will never be rid of their’s. As an engineer, I have never known job security. Who wamts to worry about losing their job every day? But I notice plenty of guys making a lot more than me since trades have a serious shortage of workers. Electricians around here charge whatever they want because there is not enough of them. Hospitals around here are bought up by one entity, so nurses can’t quit and make more money elsewhere. Teachers are quitting in droves such that it’s become a national crisis. But then there are plumbers making 6 figures.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
This comment reminds me of a 4chan post, where the poster talks about understanding the difference between anecdotes and statistics, and goes on to say that anyone who responds to a statistic with an anecdote they think disproves it isn’t very intelligent.
You don’t want to be dumber than a 4channer, do you?
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
I’m definitely below average. But I’m not sure education (or college at least) is the best direction to go at this time. It costs too much, and then people still don’t make much sometimes. Then there is job security. A mechanic will have a job for the foreseeable future. Coders and office workers are so far beyond fucked that I would not recommend someone pursue a career in an office right now.