Comment on YSK: Non-violent protests are 2x likely to succeed and no non-violent movement that has involved more than 3.5% of the country population has ever failed

sommerset@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• RandomMouse@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  A movement is a defined and coordinated event. It isn’t wanting something. The stats are not made up, but they have a lot of context that isn’t shared in the single sentence for sure.

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• jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I think it’s not “3.5% of people want an outcome” but “protests of significant magnitude to have 3.5% actively on the streets pushing” correlate with a very very large population that agrees, but not enough to be out on the streets.

  So even if 40 million people want single payer, there are not 12 million in the streets.

  But again, this is based on a scant handful of “movements”, so it’s pretty useless on specifics. Most I can see as a takeaway is perhaps that a violent movement may be too high stakes for people and a largely non-violent movement can attract more people and more people usually matter more than more violence.

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  • WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    And that pushing apparently includes activities the report defines as “nonviolent”

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Well I meant the more rhetorical “pushing”, but yes, some of the activity of the claimed non-violence seems a bit violent.

      I would say that I doubt you can have millions of people protest and manage to be completely non-violent. Some folks will take it to violence in the name of the cause, some will opportunisticly do it under the cover of the movement, and finally some might “false flag” to try to discredit the movement.

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      • WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I would say that worrying that the protest appears non violent is a waste of time. If the protestors refuse to get violent to lend sympathy for the boot, then violence can be manufactured. It happens alot in protesting, and the whole shtick of the non violent protest is it REQUIRES media but in. If the media is captured by oligarchs for example then the message will be drowned out or perverted. Even a neutral reading of “this protest happened, it has 1 billion people in it, now to John for the weather” the protest will fail.

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