Comment on YSK: Non-violent protests are 2x likely to succeed and no non-violent movement that has involved more than 3.5% of the country population has ever failed

Doorbook@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yes, they leave out that the protests work because they are displays of very large amounts of people who, while peaceful now, they have reason to believe can become violent. Without being backed by the threat of violence, or see as a diplomatic out to a movement that is, otherwise, violent, they don’t really work.

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  • Corn@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also all their examples of non-violent successes had violent factions demonstrating the alternative.

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    • Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      correct, and in those cases they saw that there was an important group within the movement they could have a diplomatic out with, and they decided to take it before it was all violence

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  • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The radical flank effect:

    academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/1/3/…/6633666?…

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    • Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I have read a number of things, over the years, discussing essentially this. They were always recalling historical movements to make their case, not so data driven. Thank you for the paper.

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