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Comment on YSK: Non-violent protests are 2x likely to succeed and no non-violent movement that has involved more than 3.5% of the country population has ever failed

threeganzi@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

Tell that to Hong Kong demonstrators on June 16, 2019, with estimated by organizers at 2 million people marching. Hong Kong had a population of 7.5 million at the time.

Sure there was violence both before and after that protest, but mostly caused by violent crackdown by police.

But did it fail because there was violence or was violence a sign of stronger opposition? Causation vs correlation and all that.

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ultranaut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Maybe they needed 3.5% of China? Since the repression was imposed from outside of the city its happening in a larger context than just the local demographics.

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- threeganzi@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Yeah it seems to be the case as China didn’t respect the deal it made with UK to leave Hong Kong autonomous. If 3.5% of China did that it would most likely be a blood bath, be it a violent or non-violent protest.
  
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Googledotcom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Hong Kong wasn’t at or above 3.5% of Chinese population

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- threeganzi@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I think we’re all aware. And Hong Kong isn’t (wasn’t) China. China broke the deal it made with UK, which said Hong Kong would be autonomous until 2048, after which it would be incorporated into China.
  
  But you’re right, not much to do when China claims authority and no one defends it’s right to free speech, democracy and autonomy.
  
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  - Googledotcom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    China is as always a big Israel full of submissive but cunning cucks
    
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