The fact that you think that’s a burn just proves my point. If you watch porn you should seriously stop. It’s terrible for your brain chemistry, personal relationships, emotional health, vitality etc It exploits women and severely damages the way men see women. Human sexuality gets hijacked and instead of having a loving relationship people are stuck in private viewing shameful images and pleasuring themselves for years not understanding that they are literally wasting their life and potential. People get addicted to the instant release of porn which .ames personal relationships and longer-form activities less enjoyable if not miserable. It’s probably good that porn frequently distracts people from having kids because undoubtedly the child would eventually be exposed to it purposefully or not by the parent at some point. So even if I accept your premise – porn is evil.
You realise most of that could be flipped to say the same thing about religion too, right?
And religion has arguably done more harm to women than porn ever has or will, so if porn is evil, religion must be too.
With places like onlyfans surging in popularity, women (and men) are much less likely to be exploited these days. There’s a lot less degrading content out there, and there’s many healthy couples who watch (and make) porn together, with no negative impact on their lives.
And I’m not denying some people are affected negatively by it, much like some people become alcoholics rather than only drinking socially.
Nothing in this world is purely good or evil. Those are terms you use for fantasy stories, not the real world.
You realise most of that could be flipped to say the same thing about religion too, right?
Lol okay. What is your worldview that’s so great it’s going to set me straight? Let me guess “live and let live dude…”
I’m a Christian. The Gospels are very clear about monogamy and that women are to be cherished and treated with respect. I respect women and recognize they are preyed upon constantly by our over-sexualized culture into dressing more provocatively, chasing impossible lifestyles and possibly having an onlyfans or whatever.
And religion has arguably done more harm to women than porn ever has or will, so if porn is evil, religion must be too.
Even if there was a way to quantify that claim (there’s not) and I argued from some tradition like Islam (which I don’t) you don’t even have a moral framework to argue from so your critique is meaningless. You don’t know what is harmful and what isnt. This proven by your next “points”.
With places like onlyfans surging in popularity, women (and men) are much less likely to be exploited these days.
Says who? Youth and chastity are being exploited. You don’t think showing your genitalia to the entire world at 18 will have negative effects to mental, emotional and spiritual health now or later in life? It’s nihilistic, degenerate and utterly devoid of meaning and promise. It is the basest form of entertainment, income and existence. It’s disgusting and everyone secretly knows it which is why your initial comment was a vague, limp-wristed platitude instead of direct defense of pornography. Something you still lack the conviction to say authoritatively because you know what I’m saying is true.
There’s a lot less degrading content out there
Like you would know what is degrading and what isnt.
many healthy couples who watch (and make) porn together, with no negative impact on their lives.
“Healthy”. Yeah that sounds real healthy. They are so healthy they have to resort to watching other people having sex when they should be spending time together making or raising kids. Who knows the conditions of the poor souls they are watching.
The fact that you think watching porn is healthy is an indicator that it has had a negative impact on your life.
You have no moral framework which is why this is fine to you. Porn is so disgusting and degenerate you have to be wilfully ignorant or totally blinded not to recognize it.
No one wants their daughter to grow up to be a porn star or their son to grow up to be a porn addict. That’s in and of itself should be enough evidence that it is a scourge with no generative potential for anyone.
All I ever learmed from the gospels is that women are to be treated as baby factories and cleaners who stay quietly at home. While men are allowed to lead, work, vote, etc…
I have a perfectly fine moral framework. It just isn’t based on a book written and modified by exploitative and controlling men many centuries ago.
Chastity is just another meaningless ‘moral’ invented by the damaging book you worship.
Your religious beliefs are what make you feel so negatively about porn. Fact is, not everyone has the same beliefs and negative attitude toward it.
You also hold some very strong falsehoods about people who watch porn. You act as if people who watch porn only ever do that, and it prevents them from doing anything else in their life.
My initial comment wasn’t a direct defense of pornography because I know it isn’t perfect.
For some people it has a negative impact on their life, for many it’s neutral, and for some it can even have a positive imapct.
Just like I wouldn’t jump in to say alcohol is amazing and ‘not evil’, there are positives and negatives. I don’t believe in absolutist terms.
While your continued failure to comprehend my initial comment is astonishing, it is also very tiring. Neither of use are benfiting from this conversation so, have a good life, stranger.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
The fact that you think that’s a burn just proves my point. If you watch porn you should seriously stop. It’s terrible for your brain chemistry, personal relationships, emotional health, vitality etc It exploits women and severely damages the way men see women. Human sexuality gets hijacked and instead of having a loving relationship people are stuck in private viewing shameful images and pleasuring themselves for years not understanding that they are literally wasting their life and potential. People get addicted to the instant release of porn which .ames personal relationships and longer-form activities less enjoyable if not miserable. It’s probably good that porn frequently distracts people from having kids because undoubtedly the child would eventually be exposed to it purposefully or not by the parent at some point. So even if I accept your premise – porn is evil.
lemsip@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
You realise most of that could be flipped to say the same thing about religion too, right?
And religion has arguably done more harm to women than porn ever has or will, so if porn is evil, religion must be too.
With places like onlyfans surging in popularity, women (and men) are much less likely to be exploited these days. There’s a lot less degrading content out there, and there’s many healthy couples who watch (and make) porn together, with no negative impact on their lives.
And I’m not denying some people are affected negatively by it, much like some people become alcoholics rather than only drinking socially.
Nothing in this world is purely good or evil. Those are terms you use for fantasy stories, not the real world.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Lol okay. What is your worldview that’s so great it’s going to set me straight? Let me guess “live and let live dude…”
I’m a Christian. The Gospels are very clear about monogamy and that women are to be cherished and treated with respect. I respect women and recognize they are preyed upon constantly by our over-sexualized culture into dressing more provocatively, chasing impossible lifestyles and possibly having an onlyfans or whatever.
Even if there was a way to quantify that claim (there’s not) and I argued from some tradition like Islam (which I don’t) you don’t even have a moral framework to argue from so your critique is meaningless. You don’t know what is harmful and what isnt. This proven by your next “points”.
Says who? Youth and chastity are being exploited. You don’t think showing your genitalia to the entire world at 18 will have negative effects to mental, emotional and spiritual health now or later in life? It’s nihilistic, degenerate and utterly devoid of meaning and promise. It is the basest form of entertainment, income and existence. It’s disgusting and everyone secretly knows it which is why your initial comment was a vague, limp-wristed platitude instead of direct defense of pornography. Something you still lack the conviction to say authoritatively because you know what I’m saying is true.
Like you would know what is degrading and what isnt.
“Healthy”. Yeah that sounds real healthy. They are so healthy they have to resort to watching other people having sex when they should be spending time together making or raising kids. Who knows the conditions of the poor souls they are watching.
The fact that you think watching porn is healthy is an indicator that it has had a negative impact on your life.
You have no moral framework which is why this is fine to you. Porn is so disgusting and degenerate you have to be wilfully ignorant or totally blinded not to recognize it.
No one wants their daughter to grow up to be a porn star or their son to grow up to be a porn addict. That’s in and of itself should be enough evidence that it is a scourge with no generative potential for anyone.
lemsip@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
All I ever learmed from the gospels is that women are to be treated as baby factories and cleaners who stay quietly at home. While men are allowed to lead, work, vote, etc…
I have a perfectly fine moral framework. It just isn’t based on a book written and modified by exploitative and controlling men many centuries ago.
Chastity is just another meaningless ‘moral’ invented by the damaging book you worship.
Your religious beliefs are what make you feel so negatively about porn. Fact is, not everyone has the same beliefs and negative attitude toward it.
You also hold some very strong falsehoods about people who watch porn. You act as if people who watch porn only ever do that, and it prevents them from doing anything else in their life.
My initial comment wasn’t a direct defense of pornography because I know it isn’t perfect. For some people it has a negative impact on their life, for many it’s neutral, and for some it can even have a positive imapct.
Just like I wouldn’t jump in to say alcohol is amazing and ‘not evil’, there are positives and negatives. I don’t believe in absolutist terms.
While your continued failure to comprehend my initial comment is astonishing, it is also very tiring. Neither of use are benfiting from this conversation so, have a good life, stranger.