Alternatively, we need to stop saying E2EE is safe at all, for any type of data, because or the arbitrary usage.
You probably didn’t understand me. I’m saying that a company can just arbitrarily decide (like you did) that the server is the “end” recipient (which I disagree with). That can be done for chat messages too.
You send the message “E2EE” to the server, to be stored there (like a file, unencrypted), so that the recipient(s) can - sometime in the future - fetch the message, which would be encrypted again, only during transport. This fully fits your definition for the cloud storage example.
By changing the recipient “end”, we can arbitrarily decode the message then.
I would argue that the cloud provider is not the recipient of files uploaded there. In the same way a chat message meant for someone else is not meant for the server to read, even if it happens to be stored there.
Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 days ago
We don’t need to stop saying E2EE is safe, because it is. There is no arbitrary usage. Either it’s E2EE. If a company lies to you and tells you it’s E2EE and it’s not E2EE that’s not arbitrary usage, it’s just a lie.
Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
You are obviously not interested in listening to a word I’m saying. Goodbye.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You’re talking about things that you don’t understand on a fundamental level. Maybe stick things you do understand?
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They cannot. Thats not how E2EE works. If they can arbitrarily decide that, then it isn’t E2EE.
It cannot, if you’re using E2EE.
That’s not how E2EE works. What you are describing is encryption that is not end-to-end. E2EE was designed the solve the issue you’re describing.
It does not. Cloud storage is a product you’d use to store your data for your own use at your own discretion.
It is if you uploaded files to it, like on purpose.
You’re confusing E2EE and non E2EE encryption.