starlinguk@lemmy.world 4 days ago
That would literally be against the oath they’ve already taken, but since some of them have already broken that oath, I suppose they won’t care.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 4 days ago
That would literally be against the oath they’ve already taken, but since some of them have already broken that oath, I suppose they won’t care.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 4 days ago
He’s following Hitler’s playbook.
He’s going to do it.
He’s already got federal employees writing essays of loyalty and praise.
It should be interesting to see how long it takes for the average American to refuse to be tread on.
sxan@midwest.social 4 days ago
Never?
The majority of 2A advocates are already ready to put on their brown shirts, and it’s going to be a pitched battle between them and armed liberals, who will get stomped because the brown shirts will be backed by military forces… even if you don’t accept that the fascists have greater numbers, which I believe they do.
Ghandi preached passive resistance to the German Jews, and look at how well that worked out for them. Nothing short of violent rebellion is going to have any effect, and I suspect there’s a minority on each side willing to come up blows, and a huge majority of people in the middle who are going to side with the status quo because they don’t to have their TikTok quality time interrupted.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The fascists absolutely do not have the numbers.
That’s why communities with a backbone are able to chase ICE agents away.
As for who has the guns, you’re probably grossly underestimating how well armed non-republicans might be.
Furthermore, we’ve seen how ineffective the US military was at handling insurgency in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In what universe would American insurgents be less well equipped than the Afghani and Iraqi insurgents?
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 days ago
People always frame this shit as, “What ya gonna do against tanks and drones?!” Not a goddamned thing. But let’s just say the military infrastructure would collapse in weeks without civilian help.
I could go on all night, but there was an excellent post on /r/liberalgunowners that outlined dozens of ways to fight the military on the streets. Much of it was, “Those tanks and drones don’t drive or maintain themselves.”
sxan@midwest.social 4 days ago
I was specifically speaking about the percent of sub-population that’s armed. There’s pretty good evidence that the average conservative (and particularly the conservative base) is also a gun owner than the average liberal base. Gun violence is a liberal plank.
I don’t think so; I’ve been a gun owner since I’ve been an adult, and I’m pretty progressive. I’ve spent a lot of time at ranges across the US, and it’s pretty clear that that population leans right. And if liberals own guns and aren’t going to the range to practice… well.
Quite effective in Iraq; Iraq was both unjustified, and concluded. Major combat operations coincided within 3 months, and we pulled out in 2011.
But the major factor in Afghanistan is that Afghanistan were a generation of trained insurgents with a decade of history of fighting insurgencies against invaders. We trained them; we trained and funded them, and helped them set up a robust cell-based insurgency. It was essentially a core component of Afghan culture by the time the US invaded. Are you trained, lean, and have a cell network set up? Anyone you know? How many people do you know, personally, who’ve ever had to suffer from anything more inconvenient than a temporary internet outage? If the US government cracks down on major carriers and network providers, can you even contact any of those people?
The US public is not the Afghan public. We’re nowhere near as hardened and tough. As importantly, we’re divided, and there’s a vast swath of the center of people who mostly don’t give enough of a shit. Even if there were voting shenanigans in 2024, enough people voted for a guy who explicitly said during campaigning that he wanted to be a dictator that it was close. When the left rises up, they’re not only going to be fighting the government, they’re going to be fighting other right-wing fuck-jobs, and worse, their uncommitted, lazily leftist neighbor is likely to turn them in because an uprising might upset little Crumpsnatcher’s soccer practice.
aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 4 days ago
Nuclear war?
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I’ll be the devil’s advocate here. They only need write on what they will do to move his agenda(s) forward. It’s not the dick sucking thing it’s been made out to be, but it’s still too fucking close for comfort.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It is one hundred percent the dick sucking thing it’s been made out to be. That is the reason for your discomfort.